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<blockquote data-quote="sundownz" data-source="post: 2836652" data-attributes="member: 549523"><p>The problem is that you think I disagree with you about M1T and PHs *******, I really don't. I'm glad to hear that you have done your research, thats pretty rare in the younger BB community. Thumbs up to you for that.</p><p></p><p>Simply since M1T didn't work for you doesn't make it not a steroid, ineffective for everyone, or not harsh on the body. Fact is, alot of guy -- guys that I know personally -- have gained 20 lbs on a 4 week M1T cycle. Most of them DO lose at least 15 pounds of that, though, as the shut-down from M1T is terrible and alot of it is water retention due to it's androgenic nature (as I'm sure you know) no matter what you do on PCT. I agree, PHs were not and are not extremely effective.</p><p></p><p>What you are wrong about is some of the OTC steroids out there now. Superdrol is as potent as any real gear out there. It IS real gear... it is simply methylated masteron -- masteron is an EXTREMELY potent injectable and they made it a metyl to make it orally bio-available and technically "legal."</p><p></p><p>Around fifteen lean pounds in 3 weeks on 10mg daily on average, if not more... the only way it lags real gear is that you can only do extremely short cycles as it is ALOT harsher on your lipids than any real gear that I know of. A friend of mine put on 15 pounds on a 3 week 10mg cycle a year ago and hasn't lost a single pound of that... he asked my advice on PCT, diet, and training so he did it properly.</p><p></p><p>Three weeks is the rational limit on a Superdrol cycle though, IMHO. Real injectable gear can be ran much longer since it is alot LESS harsh on the body as you know -- so I agree again, real gear has the advantage, especially for safety (alot of people have a hard time believing that). But to state that some of this stuff won't put weight on you, whether real gear is advantageous or not, is a mistake. This new stuff is NOT a PH... it is straight oral steroids.</p><p></p><p>To make sure we are clear... I totally agree with you that a real injectable is a better choice for a steroid cycle, if one is so inclined to do one. They are less harsh on the body, especially the liver, and provide more lasting gains since the cycle duration is longer. BUT... this new OTC stuff is potent as hell and should be viewed as 100% steroid... as it most defiantly is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sundownz, post: 2836652, member: 549523"] The problem is that you think I disagree with you about M1T and PHs *******, I really don't. I'm glad to hear that you have done your research, thats pretty rare in the younger BB community. Thumbs up to you for that. Simply since M1T didn't work for you doesn't make it not a steroid, ineffective for everyone, or not harsh on the body. Fact is, alot of guy -- guys that I know personally -- have gained 20 lbs on a 4 week M1T cycle. Most of them DO lose at least 15 pounds of that, though, as the shut-down from M1T is terrible and alot of it is water retention due to it's androgenic nature (as I'm sure you know) no matter what you do on PCT. I agree, PHs were not and are not extremely effective. What you are wrong about is some of the OTC steroids out there now. Superdrol is as potent as any real gear out there. It IS real gear... it is simply methylated masteron -- masteron is an EXTREMELY potent injectable and they made it a metyl to make it orally bio-available and technically "legal." Around fifteen lean pounds in 3 weeks on 10mg daily on average, if not more... the only way it lags real gear is that you can only do extremely short cycles as it is ALOT harsher on your lipids than any real gear that I know of. A friend of mine put on 15 pounds on a 3 week 10mg cycle a year ago and hasn't lost a single pound of that... he asked my advice on PCT, diet, and training so he did it properly. Three weeks is the rational limit on a Superdrol cycle though, IMHO. Real injectable gear can be ran much longer since it is alot LESS harsh on the body as you know -- so I agree again, real gear has the advantage, especially for safety (alot of people have a hard time believing that). But to state that some of this stuff won't put weight on you, whether real gear is advantageous or not, is a mistake. This new stuff is NOT a PH... it is straight oral steroids. To make sure we are clear... I totally agree with you that a real injectable is a better choice for a steroid cycle, if one is so inclined to do one. They are less harsh on the body, especially the liver, and provide more lasting gains since the cycle duration is longer. BUT... this new OTC stuff is potent as hell and should be viewed as 100% steroid... as it most defiantly is. [/QUOTE]
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