Whats so hard about that? I started lifting when I was 13 and did so all the way till I got into a nasty car wreck and had to do rehabiltation for better part of a year. I was lifting over 300 when I was 16 and by the time I was 18, I was doing well into the mid 400's. I also wasnt on anything what so ever nor was anybody else that I could tell. I mean I dont know what they do at home, but steriods and such were not so big back in the early 90's in my area. It just takes time, dedication and the right person to help train you. Hell my trainer was Tim Wolfe, who used to be a light weight champion bodybuilder. Come to think of it, that was the only thing I took was a good multi vitamin and drink plenty of water and just worked up for hours upon hours and I ended up getting pretty big. Like I said though everything changed after the accident. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif