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I think your problem is that you're imagining our living energy as something that continues on, when it doesn't really. Our movement, thinking, and general living is a result of taking in energy from food. When we're dead, the majority of the energy left in our system from our last meal is absorbed by organisms decomposing the body. The energy is not lumped; it isn't a single transferrable entity like a soul.
Now if you did believe that all the energy is interwoven and we're all part of the same continuing energy source, then the argument could be constructed that we (the complete universe) are god. These sort of holistic arguments are more popular in the Eastern world, and certainly more plausible than the Christian idea (which is decidedly irrational, even compared to a faith like Islam).
There was a problem with an electrical connection that caused liquid helium to flood the vacuum layer; that damaged some of the super-conducting magnets.
That depends on how you define morality. For example, traditional context suggests sexuality is immoral...I don't believe that to be the case. A lot of what people are calling a loss of morality is really just the loss of control over individuals.
Keep in mind that, historically, we have almost always believed that life could not get any worse, or that we are at a moral impasse. That's not something new in the 21st century.
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Well I don't think the universe defies logic but to say that it began at such and such a time, without any existence 'before' that seems to. It defies basic tautology A=A, what exists exists, what does not exist, does not exist. For existence to come from non-existence we are basically saying that A came from -A, this is not logical. However, this doesn't rule out our common views of the universe beginning. The theological view, which many people don't follow, allows for existence preceding the beginning of the universe, namely God, so exponents of this view may still allow for a logical universe, if they wish.
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x2, i'd say you hit the nail right on the head.
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exactly
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Do you mean "believe in the bible" to mean believe every single word to be exactly and perfectly right. Well I think that is rare of Christians, at least I've never talked to one that has, even fundamentalists I know that claim they believe in the inerrancy of the bible when puched and shown mistakes admit that it does contain some mistakes.
But I’m kind of thrown by your question. If you mean believe every word? I doubt that very many do, if you mean believe that it is somewhat accurate and true to some extent, then it seems that you do yourself? I recognize that it has just about as much true in it as the average work of fiction. I watch plenty (and I mean tons and tons) of anime, which often takes place in Japan, references Japanese history, language, geography and culture, which are all true, and really do exist. Doesn't mean all of it is true. Peter pan starts off in England, a real place! Doesn't mean that Never land exists.
Also hardly any theists that I talk to claim that you can reach belief in god and christianity through formal logic or rational inquiry. They clearly invoke faith for a reason, belief must preclude all questions and inquiries, or you're doing it wrong!
The whole mention of faith shouts this loudly. If you already know, or have a dam'n good reason to believe something then faith is not required. The reason faith is pushed as so fundamentally important and a virtuous quality to possess is because there does not exist sufficient reason to believe any of their nonsense unless you approach everything they say with the assumption that it's true.
Anywho, I don't know why you're askin similar questions over and over...and to be sincere with you, whatever questioning etc...is is just as illogical, because it appears to me that your own position isn't on any higher ground. Perhaps even lower than most. From what I've seen of you so far I'd say I know a number of theists on here that are more logical. (Not like I'm the objective judge of who is logical and who isn't or anything, I'm just saying how it currently appears to me.)
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anybody up for more debating?
Beat_Dominator
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I think lack of moral values and people's use of that term point more to breaking a golden social rule (also in the bible, but found in almost all religions due to its poignancy) Do unto others...... people are just too self-centered it seems. With this narcisisism you have a total break down of the social bonds that the human species requires to prosper.....not that we need it, we've over stayed our welcome on this planet imo.
That's where String Theory comes in //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
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i wanna learn more about this
Beat_Dominator
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Read Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku.
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i really think that our perception of reality is deceived. It has got to be twisted somehow given all the science we have grown to believe that isn't proven true. Now, you may say how is that? Well, sciences like meteorology and geology may all be relatively easy to understand since they both happen right here in front of our eyes, therefore we can take a look in the past and understand how it all works on a large scale. And we can also test our own theories right here on earth, to figure out whether or not they make any sense. I think that astronomy, especially many light years away is just to far out for anyone to comprehend, period. No matter what we do to try to understand most of astronomy, it will forever be impossible to wrap our heads around it, even with all of einsteins theories and all that are so far proven to be correct. I think that at a certain point of trying to look back, or look forward in history or the future, we just have to say "ok, that is enough" and call it quits. As big as the universe is, especially if it is eternal makes it more than likely that earth has come from a supernatural event in the universe (no matter how long it has been here), that very slowly evolved into a place with energy and matter and all that we need every day to survive. I can bet that when earth was first created, it was just a planet for billions of years made of nothing but solid mass. It wasn't until 1 second ago relative to earths time that it somehow was given energy by something else supernatural that happened to give life to us. Chances are, there really isn't a man governing us, but something just happened to come together over an eternal time that gave life to us today.
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i still do however, believe that we live in parallel universes. Like i said before, our perception of reality is more than just looking into the past or future, it is trying to understand what we can not see. This could also be the reason why we have deja vu, i truly believe this.
We can be alive and dead at the same time, we can be dead in one universe and alive in another because the split, just like a photon can be in several places at once when interacting with a glass sphere of some sort. it's possible that our decisions don't mean anything outside of this universe. Like i said before, our perception of this is not there because we can't see it. Outcomes are infinite.
We can be alive and dead at the same time, we can be dead in one universe and alive in another because the split, just like a photon can be in several places at once when interacting with a glass sphere of some sort. it's possible that our decisions don't mean anything outside of this universe. Like i said before, our perception of this is not there because we can't see it. Outcomes are infinite.
Life on earth is possible because the conditions to support life are perfect.
There is nothing complex about plants growing, it's called photosynthesis, and we feel emotions because that is how we as a society have been raised. Human emotion as slowly progessed from caveman times to now.
There is no god. You show me proof, and I will believe. Human life is possible on earth because the position in relation to the sun is perfect for life form. Mars can support life as well as many other planets in the universe, you cannot say earth is the only planet in the entire universe that has life on it. If god really existed and "loves" us, why would he/she let people die? I'm not talking about murderers or rapists, but people like the pope or priests, people that WORSHIP god. I think the belief in god was created by humans a looooooooooooong time ago to create an explanation for why we are here, you know, before science proved why we are here.
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i really like this guy, seems to know exactly what he is talking about and he can explain it with the best of them. I didn't know he has a book, but i might have to pick it up, even though i don't read, LOL
well, it is better to have some faith in god. But i agree i think people just used religion as an explanation to why we are here. It seems to make most sense.
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bump, time to argue some more.
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