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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MmatsDude" data-source="post: 5473149" data-attributes="member: 586264"><p>Well I don't think the universe defies logic but to say that it began at such and such a time, without any existence 'before' that seems to. It defies basic tautology A=A, what exists exists, what does not exist, does not exist. For existence to come from non-existence we are basically saying that A came from -A, this is not logical. However, this doesn't rule out our common views of the universe beginning. The theological view, which many people don't follow, allows for existence preceding the beginning of the universe, namely God, so exponents of this view may still allow for a logical universe, if they wish.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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