Be aware of selling your amps on ebay.

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

JOMA don't mess around. He'll steal your VBA, too.

 

[scottyk 10+ year member]

Well, ill add my two cents here. I work for a liquidation company and have done over 600+ transactions on ebay. I sold my AQ 2200D with this very same fear in my mind a while back, luckily the buyer received the amp just fine and left positive feedback.

While the paypal system is very biased toward the buyer, there's probably one set way a seller can sell electronics like an amp or woofer and not fear getting screwed. Depending on your reasoning for doing this, this method by some may be considered cheap but it works for me and if your doing it for the right reason (not getting scammed) you will really protect yourself. Some people might flame me for this, but it also might save someone from being scammed in the future

If your selling an amp on ebay and someone buys it and pays, there is naturally about a 5-6 day wait. As the seller, you instantly receive these funds and then can distribute them to your bank account. If you transfer the funds to your bank account right away, all the better. Do this, and once the funds clear in your bank account, remove your credit card information or bank account info (doing this makes you unverified, but you can add that same bank account right back on after the transaction is finished and your automatically verified again). if the buyer receives the amp as working and all is good and leaves good feedback, you can add your card back and since he left feedback cannot open a dispute.

Now, say seller is a POS loser who is trying to scam you out of an amp like others have mentioned. If he opens a dispute, you can tell him to send it back to see if it operates correctly or is really defective. if he does not agree and wants paypal to take funds from your account, he can't. Since transferring funds takes about 3 days, its almost always earlier completed then it takes for the buyer to receive the electronic via UPS. With your bank info no longer attached to paypal, the crappy buyer can do nothing to get money back while still keeping your amp. Granted, you will probably receive a negative feedback on ebay, but this seems to be worth it as compared to losing several hundred dollars.

While I've never been scammed myself, this is what I always do to protect myself. Very simple and I only condone it for honest safeguard practices of your money against scammers

 

[dave_damage 10+ year member]

Well, ill add my two cents here. I work for a liquidation company and have done over 600+ transactions on ebay. I sold my AQ 2200D with this very same fear in my mind a while back, luckily the buyer received the amp just fine and left positive feedback.
While the paypal system is very biased toward the buyer, there's probably one set way a seller can sell electronics like an amp or woofer and not fear getting screwed. Depending on your reasoning for doing this, this method by some may be considered cheap but it works for me and if your doing it for the right reason (not getting scammed) you will really protect yourself. Some people might flame me for this, but it also might save someone from being scammed in the future

If your selling an amp on ebay and someone buys it and pays, there is naturally about a 5-6 day wait. As the seller, you instantly receive these funds and then can distribute them to your bank account. If you transfer the funds to your bank account right away, all the better. Do this, and once the funds clear in your bank account, remove your credit card information or bank account info (doing this makes you unverified, but you can add that same bank account right back on after the transaction is finished and your automatically verified again). if the buyer receives the amp as working and all is good and leaves good feedback, you can add your card back and since he left feedback cannot open a dispute.

Now, say seller is a POS loser who is trying to scam you out of an amp like others have mentioned. If he opens a dispute, you can tell him to send it back to see if it operates correctly or is really defective. if he does not agree and wants paypal to take funds from your account, he can't. Since transferring funds takes about 3 days, its almost always earlier completed then it takes for the buyer to receive the electronic via UPS. With your bank info no longer attached to paypal, the crappy buyer can do nothing to get money back while still keeping your amp. Granted, you will probably receive a negative feedback on ebay, but this seems to be worth it as compared to losing several hundred dollars.

While I've never been scammed myself, this is what I always do to protect myself. Very simple and I only condone it for honest safeguard practices of your money against scammers

K thanks

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

If your selling an amp on ebay and someone buys it and pays, there is naturally about a 5-6 day wait. As the seller, you instantly receive these funds and then can distribute them to your bank account.

Your logic is flawed. I've randomly had funds held up on eBay transactions with some sort of BS reasoning from PayPal. Generally it is something to the effect stating that electronics are high risk items and PayPal is holding my funds until 7 to 14 days after the buyer receives the goods OR until I receive positive feedback.

I sold roughly 14 amps on eBay over the past 6 months, and sometimes I received an instant transfer, and other times PayPal held the funds. There was no rhyme or reason to the way they held funds either. For example, I had one amp that instantly transferred $400 to my PayPal account after the auction ended. On another amp, I had to wait two weeks for a mere $40 on a BROKEN amplifier.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Paypal is just as bad as JOMA. Holding sellers' funds up to 21 days. $$$$interest!$$$, but they won't tell you they'll find someway to use your money to profit from interest, they tell you it's for protection.

 

[yourmother515]

Golfclubsrus2008-2008 is Andy 'Drew" Weiser from Ebay.
His selling name is Andy4879 and he has been doing this SCAM for years and years.

I can confirm that andy4879 is back to his old ways! I sold him an Alpine MRD-F752 5-channel amplifier in perfect condition. Packaged it well, and shipped it off to him. He told me it was broken upon receiving it (speaker terminals were bent, he claimed) but that there was no box damage--absolutely impossible given how I packaged it and how durable this amp was.

He then was able to con another $25 out of me to pay for it to be shipped back to me. At this time, I took him at face value because I'm a trustworthy guy. I was then contacted by an anonymous former-victim of his, warning me that he has a history of claiming damage, trying to get price concessions from the seller, and then opening claims on eBay/Paypal.

He did in fact ship me back an equivalent product, but I believe he pulled the ol' switcheroo trick... He swapped out my mint amp with his old broken one, and shipped me back the piece of crap.

Chances are you will see my MRD-F752 pop up on one of his auctions in the very near future. In the end, he will probably make $350 off this transaction, with zero invested.

Just warning you guys to avoid him at all costs. He has perfect feedback on eBay under andy4879 (with over 2,000 transactions), but he only uses this account as a "buyer" account and has multiple other accounts for performing his scams. As you might know, buyers no longer can receive negative feedback on eBay and he is exploiting this new loophole.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Well, ill add my two cents here. I work for a liquidation company and have done over 600+ transactions on ebay. I sold my AQ 2200D with this very same fear in my mind a while back, luckily the buyer received the amp just fine and left positive feedback.
While the paypal system is very biased toward the buyer, there's probably one set way a seller can sell electronics like an amp or woofer and not fear getting screwed. Depending on your reasoning for doing this, this method by some may be considered cheap but it works for me and if your doing it for the right reason (not getting scammed) you will really protect yourself. Some people might flame me for this, but it also might save someone from being scammed in the future

If your selling an amp on ebay and someone buys it and pays, there is naturally about a 5-6 day wait. As the seller, you instantly receive these funds and then can distribute them to your bank account. If you transfer the funds to your bank account right away, all the better. Do this, and once the funds clear in your bank account, remove your credit card information or bank account info (doing this makes you unverified, but you can add that same bank account right back on after the transaction is finished and your automatically verified again). if the buyer receives the amp as working and all is good and leaves good feedback, you can add your card back and since he left feedback cannot open a dispute.

Now, say seller is a POS loser who is trying to scam you out of an amp like others have mentioned. If he opens a dispute, you can tell him to send it back to see if it operates correctly or is really defective. if he does not agree and wants paypal to take funds from your account, he can't. Since transferring funds takes about 3 days, its almost always earlier completed then it takes for the buyer to receive the electronic via UPS. With your bank info no longer attached to paypal, the crappy buyer can do nothing to get money back while still keeping your amp. Granted, you will probably receive a negative feedback on ebay, but this seems to be worth it as compared to losing several hundred dollars.

While I've never been scammed myself, this is what I always do to protect myself. Very simple and I only condone it for honest safeguard practices of your money against scammers

So far as I understand it, even if your paypal account is empty and your bank account detatched, paypal will simply place a negative amount on your account. So in effect, you are risking your paypal account instead of the amplifier. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if paypal didn't ding your credit rating for having an outstanding balance with them for a certain period of time.

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

So far as I understand it, even if your paypal account is empty and your bank account detatched, paypal will simply place a negative amount on your account. So in effect, you are risking your paypal account instead of the amplifier. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if paypal didn't ding your credit rating for having an outstanding balance with them for a certain period of time.

Paypal will push your account into negative, period. And hunt you down by using your social security nbr you entered when you first joined the site.

About 8 months ago, I sold an iPhone 3G on ebay to a guy from Australia. He won the auction at 550 bucks.

I got pics n everything. Packaged it up good and sent it out. It arrived there n all that, even the tracking says so.

But the guy from Australia simply said he never got it so paypal just sided with him immediately putting my account into negative 550. There was not a single thing I could do to restore that balance. I decided to screw them and I never got back into my acct as paypal placed a lock on my acct.

Fast forward to 5 days ago from today, I noticed I got a letter in my university PO Box and turns out it was a letter from creditors, stating that I need to pay paypal back otherwise my credit score is kaboom.

So as of now I am working on finding 550 and pay it back.. I am down pretty much one thousand dollars. 550 bucks plus the phone.

This is like a punch in my face but all I can do is pay up and move on.

P.S. Yes it might have been my fault for selling the phone internationally, but I'm just trying to say that paypal will not side with seller at all.

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

Pretty much any one of us can just scam any few-time rookie seller on ebay selling electrronics. Easily.

 

[Haunz 10+ year member]

Paypal will push your account into negative, period. And hunt you down by using your social security nbr you entered when you first joined the site.
About 8 months ago, I sold an iPhone 3G on ebay to a guy from Australia. He won the auction at 550 bucks.

I got pics n everything. Packaged it up good and sent it out. It arrived there n all that, even the tracking says so.

But the guy from Australia simply said he never got it so paypal just sided with him immediately putting my account into negative 550. There was not a single thing I could do to restore that balance. I decided to screw them and I never got back into my acct as paypal placed a lock on my acct.

Fast forward to 5 days ago from today, I noticed I got a letter in my university PO Box and turns out it was a letter from creditors, stating that I need to pay paypal back otherwise my credit score is kaboom.

So as of now I am working on finding 550 and pay it back.. I am down pretty much one thousand dollars. 550 bucks plus the phone.

This is like a punch in my face but all I can do is pay up and move on.

P.S. Yes it might have been my fault for selling the phone internationally, but I'm just trying to say that paypal will not side with seller at all.

That sucks bro.. I know you are a good seller, I'm still running the Crossfire VR2000D you sold me.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

The BS about this Andy 'Drew" Weiser ******* is almost unbelievable.. does anyone have his address or other contact info? People like that deserve to be ****ed with...

Can anyone comment on any merchant account companies other then paypal ? I think I'd like to set one up.

 

[k_schutte 10+ year member]

Yeah, ebay is getting ****ing stupid! I sold a sub on ebay not too long ago and the dude tried saying it was blown when he got it. I showed him the reading on the coils when I was packaging it and I showed him the video of me unhooking it. I asked him what amp and what he had is gains at and he said... "IDK, its a 4000 watt amp and I just have the bass boost and every thing all the way up, same with the bass control on the deck"...

He never filed a claim or dispute or anything at all with paypal luckily because paypal is up buyers ***** for some reason lately...

 

[rosshimself13 10+ year member]

i used to think buying off here as risky, but learned that most of us here have some sort of respect, not all though.. we all enjoy audio and are generally not looking to make profit off of each other, just offering what we have for decent prices to people who will enjoy the equipment...

i originally thought ebay was safer, never bought from there because i dont like the idea of paypal, you hold my money so i can spend it at a later time BS... after reading this i will never sell anything on ebay, and i agree with the guy who said this thread is like "school for scammers" tells you exactly how to take a sellers equipment, and money...

 

[JarvisB 10+ year member]

That sucks bro.. I know you are a good seller, I'm still running the Crossfire VR2000D you sold me.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

The BS about this Andy 'Drew" Weiser ******* is almost unbelievable.. does anyone have his address or other contact info? People like that deserve to be ****ed with...

Can anyone comment on any merchant account companies other then paypal ? I think I'd like to set one up.

thanks. glad to hear the 2000d is still doing good!

I think paypal is ok but they need to handle things better than the way it is right now.

 

[A Zombies Minge 10+ year member]

When I sell amps on ebay I take a picture of the amp with a time-stamp on the pic the day payment is received to prove power. I always ship with insurance as well so if they claim damage they have to deal with USPS before they can come after me. Over 200 positive feedback on ebay and much of it is car audio equipment and have yet to have any problems with anyone at all. I sell carefully and if and when someone tries to get over on me I will find my way to their shipping address and am likely to burn their house down, or at least crap on their front porch.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[stanky1219]

i hope paypal gives me my money back. i am by no means a scammer. recently i bought 2 mtx amps and a x-over. they were stated as working on the auction. but when i got them and tested them one amp powered on and both channels played fine , the x-over worked too , but when i powered up the second amp it poured smoke out instantly. that is bs. and i am fighting it all the way. im poor as hell and wasted money on this bs. hope paypal sides with me on this one.