B&w Vs Svs

[thadman 10+ year member]

Neither of those setups are very good at all, but I would give the nod to the B&W...that SVS has unacceptably high levels of harmonic distortion in the upper bass and lower bass. It is an absolute terrible performer. The B&W also has very high levels of harmonic distortion, but much less in the upper bass. All in all, they're both absolutely terrible performing subwoofers and I would never consider using one as my personal driver.

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

You both (joetama and 1loudsuv) need to get off those manufacturer's dicks pronto. It's starting to get really annoying. Nobody likes ignorant fanboys.

It looks like both manufacturers cannot produce a respectably clean driver. Here's my suggestion, find a local woodworker and build a sealed cabinet with twin RSS390HFs. You can have him build it out of mdf and veneer it or whatever you like, but if you're looking for low distortion and low cost there are no better options.

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

You both (joetama and 1loudsuv) need to get off those manufacturer's dicks pronto. .

I use neither.... I own a diy tc sounds 2000k with an ep 2500, it doesnt sound distorted to my ears one bit, and I only paid $700 for the sub/box/amp......Now my def tech subs at low volumes while trying to play some of the lower frequencies sounds slightly distorted and highly distorted at high volumes.

I will be upgrading the sub and doubling power/drivers soon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

But the svs does have more distortion in the 50hertz+ range but most decent towers should play at least that low... and at 20-30 hertz range the svs has less then 10% distortion until its cranked to full tilt but the b&w has above 20% distortion at even 1/3 the output and sub 30 hertz bass...

Just pointing out that you dont always get what you pay for... Pay 3x the money and get less performance then the svs...

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

The only thing I have ever found impressive about B&W is their price tag.

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

Screw both brands, go Velodyne.

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[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

The big thing to me is that B&W is really not known for their subs. They make decent subs in their 600, 700 and 800 lines, but the PV1 is definitely an overpriced POS. If I were to buy a sub there are other companies I would look at before B&W even if I do own B&W towers.

 

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

Screw both brands, go Velodyne.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hide.gif.2d479cfd917eedfe201353b91522ceab.gif

Velodyne has fallen way behind in recent years.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

I use neither.... I own a diy tc sounds 2000k with an ep 2500, it doesnt sound distorted to my ears one bit, and I only paid $700 for the sub/box/amp......Now my def tech subs at low volumes while trying to play some of the lower frequencies sounds slightly distorted and highly distorted at high volumes.
I will be upgrading the sub and doubling power/drivers soon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

But the svs does have more distortion in the 50hertz+ range but most decent towers should play at least that low... and at 20-30 hertz range the svs has less then 10% distortion until its cranked to full tilt but the b&w has above 20% distortion at even 1/3 the output and sub 30 hertz bass...

Just pointing out that you dont always get what you pay for... Pay 3x the money and get less performance then the svs...

What is your deal guy?

Reread the thread. Maybe then you will realize you are an idiot.

BTW, I am not on B&W's dick. What I am doing is trying to show the op asshat where he is totally wrong. However, he is ignorant and blind and won't listen to anything other than people who agree with his opinion. Reminds me a lot of 3 other people from this forum. Also, I am not saying that B&W subwoofers are the best things since sliced bread, they are usually 'lacking' if most people hear them. They are purpose build end to match with B&W loudspeakers, end story...

The only thing I have ever found impressive about B&W is their price tag.

Have you ever listened to them? Owned them? Known someone who has owned them?

The big thing to me is that B&W is really not known for their subs. They make decent subs in their 600, 700 and 800 lines, but the PV1 is definitely an overpriced POS. If I were to buy a sub there are other companies I would look at before B&W even if I do own B&W towers.

Indeed...

Velodyne has fallen way behind in recent years.

It depends on the product line. If you go to the top of their line you are still going to be dealing with some very top performers... However, you will pay to play for sure...

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

But the svs does have more distortion in the 50hertz+ range but most decent towers should play at least that low... and at 20-30 hertz range the svs has less then 10% distortion until its cranked to full tilt but the b&w has above 20% distortion at even 1/3 the output and sub 30 hertz bass...

Just pointing out that you dont always get what you pay for... Pay 3x the money and get less performance then the svs...

I would not consider this driver useful above 40hz, 25-40hz (closer to 30-40hz) bandwidth is pretty much it. Thats not even a full octave of extremely distorted sound, slightly out of that bandwidth the sub will become untolerable.

Now don't get me wrong, the B&W is pretty abhorrent too, but at least its useable above 70hz.

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

The b&w is good for 30 hertz and and up for 90db and 50 hertz up for 100 db for less then 10% thd

The svs is good from 20 hertz and up for 95 db....

anything louder then 95 db and above 60 hertz its to distorted

Like ive said before a good tower speaker should be able to play down to 30-40 hertz with a flat response...

even my crappy def tech towers can play down to 35 hertz with a flat respose.

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

You kids.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

I will comment that my brother has a SVS cylinder sub, and ****, that sucker gets low and loud.

But like it's been said, B&W is not known to have outstanding subwoofers. SVS, on the other hand, that's the only thing people know them for.

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

The b&w is good for 30 hertz and and up for 90db and 50 hertz up for 100 db for less then 10% thd
The svs is good from 20 hertz and up for 95 db....

anything louder then 95 db and above 60 hertz its to distorted

Like ive said before a good tower speaker should be able to play down to 30-40 hertz with a flat response...

even my crappy def tech towers can play down to 35 hertz with a flat respose.

do you realize how BAD 10% distortion is? 10% distortion is absolutely horrible!

I'm not exactly sure on the output level, but I believe it is in the 100-106dB range for both drivers.

-40dB is the 1% distortion mark, -50 is .3%

Both of these drivers are hovering around in the POINT 1 to POINT ZERO 3 percent distortion mark.

Guess what the left driver is? The Dayton RSS315HF (Dayton Reference High Fidelity 12") and it only costs about $130. Your crappy SVS sub that you keep touting has 10% distortion in a very narrow bandwidth at low output levels...the SVS sub sucks!

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

do you realize how BAD 10% distortion is? 10% distortion is absolutely horrible!I'm not exactly sure on the output level, but I believe it is in the 100-106dB range for both drivers.

-40dB is the 1% distortion mark, -50 is .3%

Both of these drivers are hovering around in the POINT 1 to POINT ZERO 3 percent distortion mark.

Guess what the left driver is? The Dayton RSS315HF (Dayton Reference High Fidelity 12") and it only costs about $130. Your crappy SVS sub that you keep touting has 10% distortion in a very narrow bandwidth at low output levels...the SVS sub sucks!

Like I said the b&w has over 20% distortion at anything below 30 hertz at almost any output level while the svs has below 10% at 95 db and 20 hertz and lower.

I don't run svs, My sub puts the dayton to shame //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

Like I said the b&w has over 20% distortion at anything below 30 hertz at almost any output level while the svs has below 10% at 95 db and 20 hertz and lower.
I don't run svs, My sub puts the dayton to shame //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

The B&W has at least usable output, albeit in the upper bass. The SVS on the other hand has no usable output (anything I'd settle for anyway).

Ahahah, for the money I highly doubt your TC sounds would beat the Dayton as far as distortion. I'm actually willing to put money on it, the RSS390HF would easily trounce your TC2000 from 50-200hz. The TC may beat a 12" Dayton in output, but just buy another one...hell they only cost a little over $100.