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[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

ok 1st off this is between audioholic and i! so please leave the posting in here to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we can settle this here so we dont clog up the original thread.

i will addmit i have a inability to properly explain myself and thoughts but, i will copy and paiste every statemant i made in the original thread for him to call his bullshit on each of my individual staements,

to either prove me wrong or myself to have a chance to explain my wording more clearly.

fair enough?

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[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

1st statement i made..................

lets not be so quick to call "Tim" a dumb *** here guys..........we have not got the whole story frome the begining.

to make a acurate decision on what he needs we need to know every thing he has!?!?

as far as we know "tim" did know what all was going into the car...fist off what kind of car it was going into, what he is using for front stage, what he was powering the sub & front stage with......none of these things were stated in the first post and everybody was soooo quick to call "Tim" a dumb ***.

i think some of the lines "Tim" might have been thinking was in order for the front stage to keep up with the volume on a 18" sub of any brand or style the sub would need to be severley under driven to blend the music properly. correct?

so in order to blend front stage with bass output, 2 15's or 3 12's would be more appropriate when the sub is driven to its max potential.

i am not trying to dis anyone of you or your knowledge of car audio because i dont know any of you personaly, i am only going from my own 16 years of professional car audio experience.

so lets begin with what i said that was false?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Problem #1: You are assessing possibilites based on the diameter of the cone only. That is a sure-fire way to look foolhardy.

 

[TeoTorriatte 10+ year member]

ok 1st off this is between audioholic and i! so please leave the posting in here to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If that's what you want, take it to PM's. This is a public forum.
It's pretty simple really, he is right and you are wrong.

For those wanting to see both sides of this... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262590

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

Problem #1: You are assessing possibilites based on the diameter of the cone only. That is a sure-fire way to look foolhardy.

here is my text of what was said first....

i think some of the lines "Tim" might have been thinking was in order for the front stage to keep up with the volume on a 18" sub of any brand or style the sub would need to be severley under driven to blend the music properly. correct?

notice i said " i think some of the lines" but anyways that was just a thought.

now

if you have a 18" sub that requires what 2k watts. its safe to say that it will play very loudly. correct?

so with that thought. here is what i was trying to say.

with that much sub volume a pair of un-amped components would have a hard time keeping up with the 18" sub.

but if you used a couple smaller subs with less output, it would be easier for the comps to keep up.

and then what happens to the output of a 18" sub that requires the same 2k watts of power when you put say 1k watts to it? does it not lower the output of the sub?

with that thought then the said 18" sub would not meet his expectation would? or why else would he have bought the sub? for what the sub does for outout. right?

then when i was talking about the maximum potential of the couple of smaller subs, i never said anything about the maximum excursion at all!

to me maximum potential would mean running at optimum efficiency. not maximum excursion which in my opinion are 2 totally differant things.

does my first statment i made make more sense now?

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

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[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

If that's what you want, take it to PM's. This is a public forum.
It's pretty simple really, he is right and you are wrong.

For those wanting to see both sides of this... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262590

so all of you wanted me to explain my comments and now i am trying without clogging up the other guys thread with off topic statments. and that is wrong?

and as far as you wanting to reference the whole thing that is fine, and i will be copying all my statements from the previous thread in order of when they were said.

so with that being said here is your chance to prove me wrong and when you bring proof i will admit i was wrong but please no BS bashing.

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

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good im glad you will enjoy this. but let all act like adults here.

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

2nd statement:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sublime06

then you get good comp's and what not for the front stage, and put an amp on them.

not always that easy......you need to try to match the comps to the frequency extension of the sub. but with a 18" sub you will still need to underpower it to match the db output of your front stage or you will be over powered by bass and not enough mids& highs.

ok.

i see the first thing here so i will call myself.

i said frquency extension when i maybe should have said somthing else.

when i was trying to signify the frequency range of the actual woofer.

so what else needs explained?

 

[TeoTorriatte 10+ year member]

so all of you wanted me explain my comments and now i am trying without clogging up the pther guys thread with off topic statments and that is wrong?
and as far as you wanting to reference the whole thing that is fine, and i will be copying all my statements from the previous thread in order of when they were said.

so with that being said here is your chance to prove me wrong and when you bring proof i will admit i was wrong but please no BS bashing.

It doesn't matter if he uses a single 18, a pair of 15's, or a trio of 12's... they will all be capable of providing enough output that a set of un-amped components will not be able to keep up. Hell, you could run 200w to a 10 and most un-amped components wouldn't be able to keep up.
If the 18 overpowers the components, he has two choice:

1. Cut the gains on the sub amp until output matches the fronts.

2. Install front stage components and amp that will keep up with the sub.

In any case, if having a balanced system is the goal, he isn't going to be able to run a full 2KW to an 18 w/ 54mm Xmax without having a SUBSTANTIAL front stage.

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

3rd statement :

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublime06

sub is 2,000W rms, on a 1,500w amp (us amps ax-1500de)

im pretty sure i can keep the gain low and put an amp on the mids and highs...

now that is all good and dandy put my point here is now you are underdriving your sub........it will not perform to your expectations being underpowered.

that is why "tim" recomended multipule smaller woofers as apposed to a single larger one.

here is a repeat of what i said a minut ago.

and then what happens to the output of a 18" sub that requires the same 2k watts of power when you put say 1k watts to it? does it not lower the output of the sub?

with that thought then the said 18" sub would not meet his expectation would? or why else would he have bought the sub? for what the sub does for outout. right?

 

[twistedfreak 10+ year member]

It doesn't matter if he uses a single 18, a pair of 15's, or a trio of 12's... they will all be capable of providing enough output that a set of un-amped components will not be able to keep up. Hell, you could run 200w to a 10 and most un-amped components wouldn't be able to keep up.
If the 18 overpowers the components, he has two choice:

1. Cut the gains on the sub amp until output matches the fronts.

2. Install front stage components and amp that will keep up with the sub.

In any case, if having a balanced system is the goal, he isn't going to be able to run a full 2KW to an 18 w/ 54mm Xmax without having a SUBSTANTIAL front stage.

and that is what i thought was the point i was trying to make in the first place.

but from what i got from his expectations of the sub that didnt sound like the option he wanted.

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

OHM! I leaked Dr Pepper outta my nose...

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[ramos 5,000+ posts]

1st statement i made..................

lets not be so quick to call "Tim" a dumb *** here guys..........we have not got the whole story frome the begining.

to make a acurate decision on what he needs we need to know every thing he has!?!?

as far as we know "tim" did know what all was going into the car...fist off what kind of car it was going into, what he is using for front stage, what he was powering the sub & front stage with......none of these things were stated in the first post and everybody was soooo quick to call "Tim" a dumb ***.

i think some of the lines "Tim" might have been thinking was in order for the front stage to keep up with the volume on a 18" sub of any brand or style the sub would need to be severley under driven to blend the music properly. correct?

so in order to blend front stage with bass output, 2 15's or 3 12's would be more appropriate when the sub is driven to its max potential.

i am not trying to dis anyone of you or your knowledge of car audio because i dont know any of you personaly, i am only going from my own 16 years of professional car audio experience.

so lets begin with what i said that was false?

Couple questions sir . //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Is the power the same for both setups ?

What's the sd of 2 15's or 3 12's as opposed to a single 18 ?

 

[Lakota 5,000+ posts]

I think you're probably getting too serious and audioholic could probably give a rats *** about dragging this on.