Anyone use Creatine???

Had a discussion last night at the bar on steroids. Black guy came up asking me what gear I used. He was wanting me to hook him up with some..lol..
Anyone have any idea how much a cycle of steroids, plus the recovery stuff would cost?
anywhere from $100-$2000. depends what ya get lol

for instance, a 10-12 wk cycle of test E with some nolva for afterwards could be had for around $100 (with good sources), but if your stacking all kinds of fun stuff it costs much more. especially if youre running growth horomone. that shit is insanely pricey.

 
someone get this kid a man-pon
Again, that's all you have to say? You can't come back with anything better? I guess when you are proved wrong the only thing you can do is make fun of someone in a way that doesnt even make sense. You've shown how stupid are, I guess that's one thing you haven't failed at.

And you're trying to call ME a kid? Ha! And you say steroids doesn't do shit to you? Case in point my friend. Case in point

 
Again, that's all you have to say? You can't come back with anything better? I guess when you are proved wrong the only thing you can do is make fun of someone in a way that doesnt even make sense. You've shown how stupid are, I guess that's one thing you haven't failed at.
And you're trying to call ME a kid? Ha! And you say steroids doesn't do shit to you? Case in point my friend. Case in point
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Right about what? My experience with creatine? Keep making yourself look stupid, you do quite a good job of that. You obviously don't know what it means to have an opinion. Shall I define it for you? You're so worthless, your parents must be ashamed of the fuck up you're growing up to be. Maybe once you hit puberty things will change. Somehow, I doubt that. Keep being the loser kid you are, it will get you a long way in life //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 
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i say fat ryan is right im not choosing side but creatine can be helpful if used right . if it gains u more in training either way u still have to work hard to be the best so its not realy cheating.id rather be natural but i do know people who spend tons of money on carbs,proteins,creatines vitamin, i do it the cheaper way protein when i train and multivitamins and eatright its more natural but i still get my over use of supplements so i think fatryan is right sorry to the other guy just cause u had bad expos with creatine doesnt mean every one else will . maybe ur just weaker . i tried the stuff loved it alot but i still rather do it 50/50 on supps and hard work . supplements areA ARE UR FRIENDS REMEMEBER THAT.

 
i say fat ryan is right im not choosing side but creatine can be helpful if used right . if it gains u more in training either way u still have to work hard to be the best so its not realy cheating.id rather be natural but i do know people who spend tons of money on carbs,proteins,creatines vitamin, i do it the cheaper way protein when i train and multivitamins and eatright its more natural but i still get my over use of supplements so i think fatryan is right sorry to the other guy just cause u had bad expos with creatine doesnt mean every one else will . maybe ur just weaker . i tried the stuff loved it alot but i still rather do it 50/50 on supps and hard work . supplements areA ARE UR FRIENDS REMEMEBER THAT.
how is he right when in my original post i said i wouldnt recommend it because of the issues I had with it? How am I wrong in the first place? I gave an opinion, which was was don't take it because of my experience, which is possible that the OP (or anyone) MAY, not will but MAY experience. It's like a caution or warning label.

I don't understand why people can't comprehend I'm not saying creatine will mess you up, I'm stating that you should be aware of side affects, how is that wrong?

 
how is he right when in my original post i said i wouldnt recommend it because of the issues I had with it? How am I wrong in the first place? I gave an opinion, which was was don't take it because of my experience, which is possible that the OP (or anyone) MAY, not will but MAY experience. It's like a caution or warning label.
I don't understand why people can't comprehend I'm not saying creatine will mess you up, I'm stating that you should be aware of side affects, how is that wrong?
actually you said to not take it based on your experience; implying the next user will experience your results as well. I am not saying your opinion is wrong; that was your experience on it. Also, you first stated that you went for your physical and that is when they found an abnormality, right? But then you went to a specialist, right? You mentioned they told you your levels were elevated, right? to which you responded something along the lines of "well I have been taking creatine," to which the responded " stop taking it, that shit will kill you," to which you responded " say it ain't so doc, I don't want to die - I'll tell everyone not to take it and that it is bad for you."

So, what were your levels? What brand were you taking? Did you front load? Were you taking 5x the recommended daily amount? Were you drinking plenty of water? By plenty I'm not talking the 8 glasses a day bullshit, I'm talking 1-2 gallons + a day.

Have you since had any additional blood work done? I ask this mainly because although the above scenario is mostly bullshit, there is some truth to it (BOLDED) - meaning as your body naturally produces creatinine; your body also flushes it out through urine - abnormal levels are not something to be overly concerned with - especially knowing you were adding ADDITIONAL CREATINE TO YOUR SYSTEM, THAT WILL CAUSE AN INFLUX OF CREATININE WHICH CAUSES A "FALSE POSITIVE." KNOWING THIS, high creatinine levels can also be a sign of kidney failure - so have you had this checked out since you stopped taking additional creatine?

http://www.medicinenet.com/creatinine_blood_test/article.htm

 
Y'all need to study up on the Krebs Cycle to understand what creatine is used for and if supplementation, beyond what's supplied in the diet, is necessary. It's an enzyme/catalyst in the synthesis of ATP - the molecule that's made in the mitocondria of the cell.

 
http://www.buildingbrawn.com this is the best site for supplements I have ever found and the customer sevice is awesome I think its a pretty small group that runs it same day shipping and its like 5.95 no matter how much you buy shipped fedex. I am in MD and they are in Corry, Pa and I get my stuff next day for about 40% less than gnc and cheaper than bodybuilding.com
i decided to test your theory and you were right. i have always ordered from BB.com. this place was definatly cheaper. not much but saved me about 15 bucks just ordering a few things i was running low on. i ordered sunday (which means it shouldnt have been processed till today) so lets see how long it takes to get to chicago.

....back on topic

 
Y'all need to study up on the Krebs Cycle to understand what creatine is used for and if supplementation, beyond what's supplied in the diet, is necessary. It's an enzyme/catalyst in the synthesis of ATP - the molecule that's made in the mitocondria of the cell.
THANK YOU! This is something I explained earlier in a much simpler terms (using ADP and Creatine Phosphate to create more ATP). People don't even know what the hell it does. As I've said, I've talked to doctors about it, and even people in the field of sports medicine and they say that creatine monohydrate is just not as useful as once thought.

 
THANK YOU! This is something I explained earlier in a much simpler terms (using ADP and Creatine Phosphate to create more ATP). People don't even know what the hell it does. As I've said, I've talked to doctors about it, and even people in the field of sports medicine and they say that creatine monohydrate is just not as useful as once thought.
Seems hardly plausible when the human body is 10T cells and makes 1M red blood cells per second.

If you owned a creatine company what would you do with the research that showed it didn't do anything? How about the research that indicated a DECREASE in performance? Would it end up on your label?

A deficiency of energy production in the cell implies creatine supplementation in the same way a shortage of hair on your head implies the need for extensions. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Buying creatine supplements doesn't make you stronger or a better athlete, it just shows how poorly you manage your personal finances. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
actually you said to not take it based on your experience; implying the next user will experience your results as well. I am not saying your opinion is wrong; that was your experience on it. Also, you first stated that you went for your physical and that is when they found an abnormality, right? But then you went to a specialist, right? You mentioned they told you your levels were elevated, right? to which you responded something along the lines of "well I have been taking creatine," to which the responded " stop taking it, that shit will kill you," to which you responded " say it ain't so doc, I don't want to die - I'll tell everyone not to take it and that it is bad for you."
So, what were your levels? What brand were you taking? Did you front load? Were you taking 5x the recommended daily amount? Were you drinking plenty of water? By plenty I'm not talking the 8 glasses a day bullshit, I'm talking 1-2 gallons + a day.

Have you since had any additional blood work done? I ask this mainly because although the above scenario is mostly bullshit, there is some truth to it (BOLDED) - meaning as your body naturally produces creatinine; your body also flushes it out through urine - abnormal levels are not something to be overly concerned with - especially knowing you were adding ADDITIONAL CREATINE TO YOUR SYSTEM, THAT WILL CAUSE AN INFLUX OF CREATININE WHICH CAUSES A "FALSE POSITIVE." KNOWING THIS, high creatinine levels can also be a sign of kidney failure - so have you had this checked out since you stopped taking additional creatine?

http://www.medicinenet.com/creatinine_blood_test/article.htm
stretch what I said why dont yout. If you're gonna quote me, do it from the post. Saying "don't take it because of my experience" is STILL an opinion. No where, besides what the doctors told me, did I come with facts stating what it will do, I stated what it did based on my experience. Thus, my SUGGESTION is based on what I have been through.

Furthermore, I went to the doctor for a regular physical and I was referred to a nephrologist. I don't know what happened in between, just know that sometime after they checked my urine or blood, whatever it was they found something, and then the nephrologist mentioned about my creatine content being high. Tell me, if I had so many successful physicals with no issues and the only thing that changed in my lifestyle, eating habits, workout habits, etc was taking creatine, wouldn't it just be common sense that it is a very good indicator of a higher than normal creatine content (when it NEVER was an issue before)?

And the nephrologist never said it would kill me. He stated that my kidneys can get damaged if I continued to use it. And please tell me why after I stopped taking it that my following physicals were normal?

As far as how I took it, I don't remember, this was about 7 years ago, but I followed the directions and I was actually drinking about 1.5 gallons per day. I would go to school with a gallon of water and that it is pretty much all I drank, other than milk and juice here and there.

Like I said, for the past 10 or so times, do what you want with your body, it doesn't matter to me. I'm sharing MY experience as to why one shouldn't take it, it's up to you whether or not you want to take the advice. I have no problem with that at all. But don't sit on your *** and try to tell me that my high creatine content was not because of creatine. Did you see my medical report, did you give me the physical, are either one of the physicians that I went to? No, you aren't, you don't know the situation, but you are making assumptions. So since you don't know SHIT about my experience and you want to make assumptions, just shut THE fuck up till you get your facts straight.

 
And to answer your question as to how much later, it was probably within 6 months or so, because I took the physical for soccer in high school during December and July is when I started my summer job, thus requiring me to take the physical in May or June.

 
actually you said to not take it based on your experience; implying the next user will experience your results as well. I am not saying your opinion is wrong; that was your experience on it.
stretch what I said why dont yout. If you're gonna quote me, do it from the post. Saying "don't take it because of my experience" is STILL an opinion. No where, besides what the doctors told me, did I come with facts stating what it will do, I stated what it did based on my experience. Thus, my SUGGESTION is based on what I have been through.

He stated that my kidneys can get damaged if I continued to use it. And please tell me why after I stopped taking it that my following physicals were normal?

As far as how I took it, I don't remember, this was about 7 years ago, but I followed the directions and I was actually drinking about 1.5 gallons per day. I would go to school with a gallon of water and that it is pretty much all I drank, other than milk and juice here and there.

Like I said, for the past 10 or so times, do what you want with your body, it doesn't matter to me. I'm sharing MY experience as to why one shouldn't take it, it's up to you whether or not you want to take the advice. I have no problem with that at all. But don't sit on your *** and try to tell me that my high creatine content was not because of creatine.
Maybe you are the one who has a problem comprehending what you read, pls read again...

Can - being the key word here...

NO SHIT, here is what I wrote "especially knowing you were adding ADDITIONAL CREATINE TO YOUR SYSTEM, THAT WILL CAUSE AN INFLUX OF CREATININE WHICH CAUSES A "FALSE POSITIVE."

again, what were your levels? slightly elevated levels ARE NORMAL WHEN YOU ARE TAKING IN ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTATION!!!! SO NO SHIT IT WENT DOWN WHEN YOU STOPPED, THUS DID NOT CAUSE DAMAGE, THUS PROVING IF CYCLED ON/OFF AND ALLOWING FOR NORMAL FUNCTIONALITY TO OCCUR LONG TERM EFFECTS CAN BE ELIMINATED

 
Maybe you are the one who has a problem comprehending what you read, pls read again...
Can - being the key word here...

NO SHIT, here is what I wrote "especially knowing you were adding ADDITIONAL CREATINE TO YOUR SYSTEM, THAT WILL CAUSE AN INFLUX OF CREATININE WHICH CAUSES A "FALSE POSITIVE."

again, what were your levels? slightly elevated levels ARE NORMAL WHEN YOU ARE TAKING IN ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTATION!!!! SO NO SHIT IT WENT DOWN WHEN YOU STOPPED, THUS DID NOT CAUSE DAMAGE, THUS PROVING IF CYCLED ON/OFF AND ALLOWING FOR NORMAL FUNCTIONALITY TO OCCUR LONG TERM EFFECTS CAN BE ELIMINATED
Let's see, this is what you said:

actually you said to not take it based on your experience; implying the next user will experience your results as well.
You are straight out telling me what I am implying. I did not say the next user or all users will face the side affects I did, I said it is a possibility, you just want to keep stating that I'm trying to say it will happen to everyone, which I'm not...again, it may or may not.

And like I said before, this was 7 years ago and I don't remember how much over, but I do know know that there is a range that is considered to be normal. I was in the above normal range. Although there is a high creatine content in the normal range which is still fine, I had surpassed that. You get it?

 
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