Any inputs? A facebook war going on

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

This whole topic is pointless. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

The reason I shared this is, this is what the JL nuthugger/installers are telling on there page. I just got amused at the amount of closed mindness that was shown. I know the guy and he has no clue about how the stuff he sells works.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Next time I'll make a thread about doing your girl in the butt

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

I'm. Confused as to what ur getting at hazel?

 

[subzero 5,000+ posts]

point, all hung the same nut?

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I'm. Confused as to what ur getting at hazel?

It's haze grey. It's a navy thing. I was getting at the amount of misinformation spread by installers and dealers.

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

i will do my wife in the doodie hole later

 

[power-fanatic07 5,000+ posts]

i will do my wife in the doodie hole later

Pics or lies

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

Pics or lies

lutz, some of the kiddos on here couldn't handle it

 

[power-fanatic07 5,000+ posts]

Just your wife will do

 

[Canaan 10+ year member]

Ok...

Lets talk Asian-made vs US made lines in 12v.

Can anyone show me a TOTALLY US MADE/BUILT LINE that originated in the last 2yrs????

Hummm??? Anyone???

I'm talking 100% US here. Not just "assembled in USA" stuff.

Many people say MMats and other lines offer USA built amps....humm...where did the caps/power-supplies/resisters/mos-fests come from????

Also, many say that Fi, AA, JL, and 100 other lines are built in the USA. Ok....sure. These lines may 'assemble' the lines in the USA, but where does the raw material come from to build the drivers?

I really hate to say it, but many "USA built" lines are pretty much equivalent to Toyota (when comparing to the Auto Market). They have factories in the

USA, but MANY parts come from foreign nations.

They offer 'final assembly' in the US, but the majority of the work (and man-hours) takes place over-seas.

Thus, keeping costs down and helping to insure the bottom line is within the manufacturers required profit margin.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Ok...
Lets talk Asian-made vs US made lines in 12v.

Can anyone show me a TOTALLY US MADE/BUILT LINE that originated in the last 2yrs????

Hummm??? Anyone???

I'm talking 100% US here. Not just "assembled in USA" stuff.

Many people say MMats and other lines offer USA built amps....humm...where did the caps/power-supplies/resisters/mos-fests come from????

Also, many say that Fi, AA, JL, and 100 other lines are built in the USA. Ok....sure. These lines may 'assemble' the lines in the USA, but where does the raw material come from to build the drivers?

I really hate to say it, but many "USA built" lines are pretty much equivalent to Toyota (when comparing to the Auto Market). They have factories in the

USA, but MANY parts come from foreign nations.

They offer 'final assembly' in the US, but the majority of the work (and man-hours) takes place over-seas.

Thus, keeping costs down and helping to insure the bottom line is within the manufacturers required profit margin.

While I agree with you, mostly, and think the Toyota example is a good one, Im not seeing the relevance. I would be hard pressed to name one single product, made out of a relatively large number of component parts, that is 100% 'made in USA'. Can you? Back when I was in manufacturing, I worked for a few different American owned and operated companies that made custom automated machinery. We cut the square tube into frames. We machined the parts out of raw steel for fixturing, motion, etc. We cut/bent/painted the sheetmetal skins. You get the point... they were very much 'made in the USA' products, especially by today's standards. But even those machines had pneumatic parts made in Japan, electronics from Korea, etc. Hell, even a lot of the raw steel we bought from a local steel distributor was imported from China.

My point is, to set the bar for 'made in USA' at every single piece, and the raw material, must be from the US, means you probably cant consider absolutely anything made in USA these days.

But again I completely agree with you on the Toyota thing. Did you know, its MUCH cheaper on import tariffs if the car is shipped here in pieces, instead of assembled. That is the main/initial reason Toyota started building assembly plants in this country, being able to advertise as 'made in USA' was just a side bonus. And of course, Toyota owners eat it up like candy, not thinking deep enough to realize that the vast majority of labor in a car is making the parts, not assembling them. Especially today's assembly plants, which are HIGHLY automated.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I should also add that, with speakers, assembly is a lot of where the quality of the product comes into play. How well is the triple joint, spiders, and surround glued. How well the tinsel leads are implemented. Quality of the coil (which is usually wound locally in these 'made in USA' subs). Etc. Certainly not all, but a lot of the quality is in the assembly procedures.

But I also should say that just because it is assembled here in the U.S. is no guarantee of quality. I do believe in supporting U.S. based manufacturing, because we cant survive as a society if everyone works for McDonalds and WalMart. But I certainly agree that 'made in China' does not necessarily mean its junk.

 

[roarzorz 10+ year member]

Next time I'll make a thread about doing your girl in the butt

Would make for a much more entertaining thread. This one is dumb as a dead rock.

 

[roarzorz 10+ year member]

You can only have so many differences before it doesnt work anymore

surround, cone, suspension, coil, motor, basket, tinsels, terminals, dustcap, former,

Can I haz combinations?

There are many (sometimes hundreds or even thousands of) different variations of each part making an almost infinte amount of possible combinations.