this has got to be the most retarded post i've ever seen. first of all...just cuz you got TWO 15" subs, and pushing 3200 watts...what does it sound like? probably just all **** bass. most likely the people using an alpine type r sub is just building a nice clean sounding system. anyone can make a system loud...it's when building the system for clairty and crispness is the hard part. if i wanted tons of bass...i'd go with some cervin vega strokers...that's stupid bass right there...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gifOriginally posted by dB Crazy Jim Sigh...i wish you people would get off your Alpine trip...i mean i have nothing against them but they are just one of my most unfavorite subwoofers...Maybe as alpine comes out with more subwoofers i will take more of an intrest in them...but until then i will continue to run my 2 15" Visonic Comp. Subs off a 3200 watt Visonic amp...now try hooking up two of your alpine's to my 3200 watt amp...see if there is anything left of those "bad boys" ROFL...sorry, but it had to be said...even one subwoofer from my last system (consisting of 4 JL W3's bridged paralell with 2 JL 500/1 amps) would blow an Alpine type S OR type R out of the water...anyways, fun arguing with you people...see ya! and as always check out my w7's (which are going in soon!) http://www.geocities.com/theconge/13W7pic.jpg see yah!