Adding "L" to the SQ....

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

it may just be my ocd but cars with out rear fill always seem unfinished to me. Do it right and it will improve how things sound.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

'Tis true, the rears seem to cap everything off...

 

[dirtyunclerandy 10+ year member]

You guys have way more knowledge about this, but it seems like not having rears would lead to an odd listening experience. Don't you want a nice blend of sound from all angles?

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

You guys have way more knowledge about this, but it seems like not having rears would lead to an odd listening experience. Don't you want a nice blend of sound from all angles?

Thing is, without proper integration, rear fill can and most likely will ruin your sound stage. For example, in my car the driver rear speaker is the closest of all the speakers to me. So, If I run fronts and rears full range with no processing, the stage pulls hard rear. For those not into SQ with imaging and staging, I dont see why not to run rears except to save money or b/c its whats cool on the interwebz, but I guess its to each his own....Most argue that when you go to a concert, the singer is in front of you and not behind you but, a true SQ setup should have rears, but they should be delayed (Haas Effect), low passed at 3khz, and attenuated to recreate back wall reflections that you would experience at a concert. It'll increase the "room size" and make you feel like youre in something bigger than a car and make the experience more "realistic".

 

[dirtyunclerandy 10+ year member]

I guess I never thought about it like that. Thanks for the schoolin.

 

[john253a 10+ year member]

most people i no just want good sound, not to compete and go loud as hell

i set my Toyota duel cab truck up with kicker gear(yes i no)

i had 4 sets of qs65.2 2 speakers, 1 set in each door

rear were coaxial mounted and front had tweeters in custom door pillar pods

they were running bi-amped through the crossover off 2x zx650.4 and 2x zx700.5

due to space behind rear seat and not wanting to do a blow through i had to use slimline subs

2 kicker cvt12.2 (ran off zx700.5) sealed behind rear seat and 2x kicker cvt8.4 (ran off zx400.1) sealed under rear seat

for what it was i was loud as hell

but it was very hard to set up

 

[twistedchild420 5,000+ posts]

Go pro audio bro.....best of both worlds

 

[john253a 10+ year member]

if you can afford them

rainbow SLX 365.20

i run a single set in my new truck, with no subs and no other speakers

of an eclipse 4ch amp and im supprized how loud they go, and how much bass the produce

best 1500 i spent

 

[trumpet 5,000+ posts]

Any good brand of speakers will be able to play loudly and sound good doing it. There isn't some special magic involved in engineering a speaker to have high power handling that only 2 companies have mastered. Morel, DynAudio, HAT, CDT Audio, Pioneer, Focal, Boston Acoustics, the list goes on. Morel has horrible customer service so I wouldn't even consider them.

Before you start getting too deep into changing your front stage I would get that rear fill going. You might find you can use that to get the extra loudness you want. If not, then revisit this thread.

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

it may just be my ocd but cars with out rear fill always seem unfinished to me. Do it right and it will improve how things sound.

'Tis true, the rears seem to cap everything off...

Definitely a matter of preference, not fact. lol

 

[VisceralSound 10+ year member]

How is a delay created when running the rear deck? I've wondered this.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Definitely a matter of preference, not fact. lol

I think you need to listen to a car with proper rear fill, you can't tell it's coming from behind you at all. It helps get rid of any shallowness you may have sitting so close to the drivers.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Any good brand of speakers will be able to play loudly and sound good doing it. There isn't some special magic involved in engineering a speaker to have high power handling that only 2 companies have mastered. Morel, DynAudio, HAT, CDT Audio, Pioneer, Focal, Boston Acoustics, the list goes on. Morel has horrible customer service so I wouldn't even consider them.
Before you start getting too deep into changing your front stage I would get that rear fill going. You might find you can use that to get the extra loudness you want. If not, then revisit this thread.

that's just like saying all speakers are the same loudness, which isn't true. The design of the Morels and dyn's are louder then the more sq oriented brothers. Hat Is loud as well but I like the morels over the hat's

 

[trumpet 5,000+ posts]

that's just like saying all speakers are the same loudness, which isn't true. The design of the Morels and dyn's are louder then the more sq oriented brothers. Hat Is loud as well but I like the morels over the hat's

No, that is not at all what I said. Reread my post. My message was that a lot of companies offer "SQ" speakers that handle a lot of power and are known for getting loud and sounding good doing so. Note that I did not try to quantify what "loud" means, as nobody is going to be staring at an SPL meter while they're enjoying their music on a daily basis.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

No, that is not at all what I said. Reread my post. My message was that a lot of companies offer "SQ" speakers that handle a lot of power and are known for getting loud and sounding good doing so. Note that I did not try to quantify what "loud" means, as nobody is going to be staring at an SPL meter while they're enjoying their music on a daily basis.

Yes, but he already has decently loud speakers. If it was my install I'd just add power and work on aiming before swapping speakers but that isn't what the thread is about.