Adding another gun to my collection

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

I don't understand people like you...do you have any idea what stats are and how they work.

You are speaking from opinion. These are FACTS. This is exactly was has happened in the USA in history. All they did is take an equal number of people with guns in the home..and ones without. Looked at gun related injuries.

Are you really surprised people with guns get shot more then people without guns??

I mean your chances of getting shot are SO MUCH HIGHER from someone you know or a family member then a stranger.

You do not have a higher chance of getting killed with a gun near you. Period. You say you have a 43 times higher chance of getting shot if you have a gun.
If you believe that, you are a complete fool, no matter what any study says.

What if I own 30 guns? Does that mean I have a 1290 times greater chance of getting shot? I believe not.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I don't understand people like you...do you have any idea what stats are and how they work.
You are speaking from opinion. These are FACTS. This is exactly was has happened in the USA in history. All they did is take an equal number of people with guns in the home..and ones without. Looked at gun related injuries.

Are you really surprised people with guns get shot more then people without guns??

I mean your chances of getting shot are SO MUCH HIGHER from someone you know or a family member then a stranger.

i'd like to see stats on people who took gun safety courses as opposed to people who didn't.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Hey man, I can't send you the link as you require a membership to the journals. If you PM me your email I would be totally happy to send you the .pdf.

The point is when you say "answer honestly from your brain" - you are not speaking about a decision brain based - but emotion based. My brain says I can't deny the stats. It is the history of what has happened. Plain and simple. The stats are key, as you emotionally feel safer with a gun...and it may even initially make sense. The bottom line is in this country it has not proven to be the case.

When you think about it, it is not surprising having "weapons" in your house makes it more dangerous. Lets be real, the risk of a home invasion, or actually needing a gun from a stranger is VERY LOW. By far...far...deaths and injuries in the home come from family members, friends and accidents. This risk is so much greater then the risk of being hurt by a robber. People are just not afraid, and don't think of being hurt by family/friends. But the reality is that is exactly what happens.

So yes...I use to have guns at home. It did make me feel better, even locked up in a cabinet, and ammo in a seperate one. Then I came to terms with the fact it was foolish...I just was not being honest about the TRUE risks. Not my guns stay at the gun club, or at my hunting cabin.

And to answer the last part ... given there are a 1000 variables it is difficult to answer....but yes....I FEEL safer with a gun. So definently I feel safer now for me..and espescially my family without a gun at home. As to defending myself...again still feel safer without a gun...but know I am 3x less safe with one.

Give me a link and ill read it. You never did answer me though. Without providing more stats, answer honestly from your own brain.
Do you think defending yourself with your bare hands is more safe than defending yourself with a firearm?

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Hey man, I can't send you the link as you require a membership to the journals. If you PM me your email I would be totally happy to send you the .pdf.
The point is when you say "answer honestly from your brain" - you are not speaking about a decision brain based - but emotion based. My brain says I can't deny the stats. It is the history of what has happened. Plain and simple. The stats are key, as you emotionally feel safer with a gun...and it may even initially make sense. The bottom line is in this country it has not proven to be the case.

When you think about it, it is not surprising having "weapons" in your house makes it more dangerous. Lets be real, the risk of a home invasion, or actually needing a gun from a stranger is VERY LOW. By far...far...deaths and injuries in the home come from family members, friends and accidents. This risk is so much greater then the risk of being hurt by a robber. People are just not afraid, and don't think of being hurt by family/friends. But the reality is that is exactly what happens.

So yes...I use to have guns at home. It did make me feel better, even locked up in a cabinet, and ammo in a seperate one. Then I came to terms with the fact it was foolish...I just was not being honest about the TRUE risks. Not my guns stay at the gun club, or at my hunting cabin.

And to answer the last part ... given there are a 1000 variables it is difficult to answer....but yes....I FEEL safer with a gun. So definently I feel safer now for me..and espescially my family without a gun at home. As to defending myself...again still feel safer without a gun...but know I am 3x less safe with one.

owning a gun should require safety courses. not just once, but every year. you'd see much different statistics then.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Definently .... huge supporter for gun safter courses...for the whole family. It does reduce the risk of accidental injuries/deaths. Again people just don't consider, or realize that your risk of injury is highest from other family member/friends due to arguments, jealousy, domestic abuse, etc. It FAR..FAR out weighs any threat of home invasion, car jacking, etc....even combined.

i'd like to see stats on people who took gun safety courses as opposed to people who didn't.

lol...u changed your post while I was posting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[brandontw 10+ year member]

Thats cool. I usually just go skeet shooting. And hunting lolI know that I cant use this new gun to hunt with. It would be hard to come up with a reason to tell the game warden about why the shotgun has 8 shells in it instead of five lol

ittl probly come with a wooden dowel to limit your capacity for hunting, if not its easy to fab up, thats what i do, mine holds 7 in the mag and one in the hole but i just pop the dowel in for hunting.

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

The scientific process utilizes a controlled environment to test the null hypothesis. If you find insufficient statistical evidence and reject the null then you will most likely not publish your findings as your evidence did not correspond with your theory or belief.

Peer reviews journals are useful in certain arguements (e.g.) but common sense rules the day for this one. A gun-owner is more likely to act in bold manner when confronted with a violent situation. The chances are heightened that death/injury will occur, but the question is to whom.

It's all about timing and chance. A good shot combined with the opportuntiy of time will win; while the attacker has the advantage of suprise.

In my area people get killed every year just driving to work, minding their own business. If my risk of physical harm increases by 10% because I carry a gun so be it, but I'll be dammed if someone is gonna kill me on my way to work without shots being returned.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

See this is the problem....people just don't want to hear the truth. There is no magic to the study... all they did is look at the HISTORY of what has happened.

The data could have been +ve or -ve corrleated...this is not the testing of a null hypothesis. Multivariate covariance utilizes a totally different approach. In essence, all it does is look at number of gun related injuries and sees if that is more common in households with guns period. The answer could have been +ve correleated (guns at home = greater risk) or -ve correleated (guns at home = lesser risk). Just face the facts man, it makes it more risky to have a gun at home then not. Period.

The scientific process utilizes a controlled environment to test the null hypothesis. If you find insufficient statistical evidence and reject the null then you will most likely not publish your findings as your evidence did not correspond with your theory or belief.
Peer reviews journals are useful in certain arguements (e.g.) but common sense rules the day for this one. A gun-owner is more likely to act in bold manner when confronted with a violent situation. The chances are heightened that death/injury will occur, but the question is to whom.

In my area people get killed every year just driving to work, minding their own business. If my risk of physical harm increases by 10% because I carry a gun so be it, but I'll be dammed if someone is gonna kill me on my way to work without shots being returned.

Man just look at your statistics...your risk of getting shot by someone you KNOW is so much greater then by some random stranger. Seriously people stop being friggin paranoid. Yes people get shot on the highways randomly. But common, you are 1000x more likely to get killed by someone you know...and having a gun in your home...makes it 43x more likely it will happen to you.

This is the problem...saying it is "common sense" - is just ignoring the truth. You may believe that - but it is JUST NOT THE CASE.

Guns in home means YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR LOVED ONES, YOUR WIVES, G/F are all at a very significantly higher risk of getting injured. That is just the history of what has happened in this country. No magic, no special statistics, just the raw numbers.

 

[mtdewelf 10+ year member]

at what point to arguments get dropped?

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

The scientific process utilizes a controlled environment to test the null hypothesis. If you find insufficient statistical evidence and reject the null then you will most likely not publish your findings as your evidence did not correspond with your theory or belief.
Peer reviews journals are useful in certain arguements (e.g.) but common sense rules the day for this one. A gun-owner is more likely to act in bold manner when confronted with a violent situation. The chances are heightened that death/injury will occur, but the question is to whom.

It's all about timing and chance. A good shot combined with the opportuntiy of time will win; while the attacker has the advantage of suprise.

In my area people get killed every year just driving to work, minding their own business. If my risk of physical harm increases by 10% because I carry a gun so be it, but I'll be dammed if someone is gonna kill me on my way to work without shots being returned.

I know what you mean. I feel the same way. I will return fire if fired at. And I will damm sure shoot anyone that comes in my house un announced. I wont hesitate.

Either way you look at it tho, the odds are with and against us in some way or another. But I personally would feel MUCH safer with a gun in my truck.

Its a personal preference for me. I know it has been said. But does anyone not agree that it would be better to have it and not need it? rather than need it and not have it?

 

[97cav 10+ year member]

out of 707 views, only ONE person is arguing that having a gun will raise you chances of getting killed. i personally own a couple handguns and seriously doubt someone breaking into my house will shoot and kill me before i get a shot at them. why? because its MY house, im the one that is ALREADY there with a firearm at my reach. the burgular/murderer doest know where i am or that i have a loaded gun aimed at him, now does he? also CanadianDream do you really think that the "bad guy" purchased his firearm legally? the only thing that tigher gun laws do is prevent law abiding citizens from owning a gun, but the scubags still have theirs. now does that sound safe to you?

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

out of 707 views, only ONE person is arguing that having a gun will raise you chances of getting killed. i personally own a couple handguns and seriously doubt someone breaking into my house will shoot and kill me before i get a shot at them. why? because its MY house, im the one that is ALREADY there with a firearm at my reach. the burgular/murderer doest know where i am or that i have a loaded gun aimed at him, now does he? also CanadianDream do you really think that the "bad guy" purchased his firearm legally? the only thing that tigher gun laws do is prevent law abiding citizens from owning a gun, but the scubags still have theirs. now does that sound safe to you?

I have been waiting for someone to say something to him like that. lol

Thats what I think. That I will be the first to shoot if someone is in my house. I know the layout of my house. The robber does not. I can hear where he would be moving around. He could hear me as well. But he would not be able to know exactly where I was because he would not know the layout of the house.

Therefore, I would have the advantage.

But I might even go to the point of shooting him with some birdshot so he will have a stinging sensation in most of his body lol

 

[i like guns 10+ year member]

But I might even go to the point of shooting him with some birdshot so he will have a stinging sensation in most of his body lol

No offense, but thats the worst idea ever. Shoot the guy with birdshot to make him "hurt?" But intruders are most likely going to be on a mind altering drug and pain wouldnt stop them, only distrpting their vital organs will. Therefore you need the best killing rounds in a shotgun, #1 buckshot.

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

No offense, but thats the worst idea ever. Shoot the guy with birdshot to make him "hurt?" But intruders are most likely going to be on a mind altering drug and pain wouldnt stop them, only distrpting their vital organs will. Therefore you need the best killing rounds in a shotgun, #1 buckshot.

lol I know man. I was just messing around. I would not take any chances when it would come down to my life, or my families life. I would prolly run like four 000Buck, followed up by four #4s.

 

[Priest 10+ year member]

Nice gun but I think it's overkill for something that is just going to be laying around as a defense weapon. The wife has an 870 synthetic under her side of the bed (I travel constantly for work and she is home alone a lot). It's a good reliable gun that I paid $250 for. I've got an 1100 that I use for hunter that I wouldn't trade for anything.

Oh, and pistol grips bring the ****. They look cool but are really hard to control.