adding an extral battery helps?

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I get what you are saying, but its rare for the diodes to go like that, they go when you short circuit the battery or jump off your car because there is a massive amount of current directed to them, If your amp sucks enough power from your battery that your alt has to pretty much charge it from the ground up then yes you can fry your diodes easy. My point is that thats hard to do with any daily driver system, You aren't going to be burping your system for 30 sec at full power going down the road. In that situation yes you are likely to drain the battery, which will cause the voltage regulator to run wide open and fry your diodes

However, in most cases, that doesn't happen, notice headlight dimming? Thats your voltage regulator's delay in adjusting the current output, thus your headlights go to the battery for power. Since the current follows the path of least resistance as soon as your system hits the level of current draw your regulator is currently at, it draws from the battery, which won't get depleted enough to strain your alternator to the point of frying a diode in the assembly (USUALLY.)

Like i said, if you burp the hell out of it loud enough to drain the battery in a matter of seconds, then YES The voltage regulator will open up to charge the battery and the current flow will heat up the diodes till failure. Do you have any Idea how much current it takes to actually do that? Granted there are circumstances that make it more likely, such as not letting your car warm up before thumping, thus when you start bumping, and your battery is already half-depleted, it can drop to a dangerous level for your diodes when bass hits.

I have a friend who has run 3 1000/1's on a stock alternator and 2 regular batteries (no yellow tops or anything fancy) for about 5 years. He lets his car warm up with remote start every time he gets in it, and he has never replaced the alternator. My stepdad's car in the mean time has no aftermarket electronics in it and has had the alternator replaced 3 times and he NEVER lets his car warm up because hes always leaves for work last minute.

 

[manyhobbies 10+ year member]

I get what you are saying, but its rare for the diodes to go like that, they go when you short circuit the battery or jump off your car because there is a massive amount of current directed to them, If your amp sucks enough power from your battery that your alt has to pretty much charge it from the ground up then yes you can fry your diodes easy. My point is that thats hard to do with any daily driver system, You aren't going to be burping your system for 30 sec at full power going down the road. In that situation yes you are likely to drain the battery, which will cause the voltage regulator to run wide open and fry your diodes
However, in most cases, that doesn't happen, notice headlight dimming? Thats your voltage regulator's delay in adjusting the current output, thus your headlights go to the battery for power. Since the current follows the path of least resistance as soon as your system hits the level of current draw your regulator is currently at, it draws from the battery, which won't get depleted enough to strain your alternator to the point of frying a diode in the assembly (USUALLY.)

Like i said, if you burp the hell out of it loud enough to drain the battery in a matter of seconds, then YES The voltage regulator will open up to charge the battery and the current flow will heat up the diodes till failure. Do you have any Idea how much current it takes to actually do that? Granted there are circumstances that make it more likely, such as not letting your car warm up before thumping, thus when you start bumping, and your battery is already half-depleted, it can drop to a dangerous level for your diodes when bass hits.

I have a friend who has run 3 1000/1's on a stock alternator and 2 regular batteries (no yellow tops or anything fancy) for about 5 years. He lets his car warm up with remote start every time he gets in it, and he has never replaced the alternator. My stepdad's car in the mean time has no aftermarket electronics in it and has had the alternator replaced 3 times and he NEVER lets his car warm up because hes always leaves for work last minute.

I am a newbie here but not to automotive. The statement that you claim is correct. The main reason an alt dies is from the heat the diodes endure when trying to keep up with a high demand for power. If any of you big sound system finatics like myself wanna keep a cheap electrical system going, just add more rectifiers with the big diodes and you will be supprised how well an alternator can keep up. Now granted you need to start off with a heavy duty alternator but it will work. The batteries discharging over and over is what kills the alternator not the power draw itself.

So actually the 2 arguments are correct in a sence. You cannot run a big wattage system on a stock electrical system without a failure. Can you run a big wattage system without failure? SURE but only if you use it at low levels where the stock battery isnt being discharged over and over. The other thing that hurts the amplifier is the fact that a battery looses voltage very fast when you start pulling more power and voltage than what the altrernator can replace.

So with this being said consider both the arguments correct in what the real meaning behind both is.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

[ahole-ic]

I am a newbie here but not to automotive. The statement that you claim is correct. The main reason an alt dies is from the heat the diodes endure when trying to keep up with a high demand for power. If any of you big sound system finatics like myself wanna keep a cheap electrical system going, just add more rectifiers with the big diodes and you will be supprised how well an alternator can keep up. Now granted you need to start off with a heavy duty alternator but it will work. The batteries discharging over and over is what kills the alternator not the power draw itself.So actually the 2 arguments are correct in a sence. You cannot run a big wattage system on a stock electrical system without a failure. Can you run a big wattage system without failure? SURE but only if you use it at low levels where the stock battery isnt being discharged over and over. The other thing that hurts the amplifier is the fact that a battery looses voltage very fast when you start pulling more power and voltage than what the altrernator can replace.

So with this being said consider both the arguments correct in what the real meaning behind both is.

Thats my 2 cents.

You told him he was right, but then went on to destroy his argument that people should run large amplifiers and only adding a second battery. Good show sir! Nice finesse. Almost politician like.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You told him he was right, but then went on to destroy his argument that people should run large amplifiers and only adding a second battery. Good show sir! Nice finesse. Almost politician like.

Newsflash buddy Diode is not = to alternator. Just because your model of car doesn't make diodes in the alternator replaceable doesn't mean you are killing the alternator.

And yes an alt will die from a big draw eventually, but any quicker than normally? not usually. Like i said my step dad has replaced 3 in the last 4 years from diode failure with no after market electronics. Most daily systems just don't put enough strain on the battery to cause a diode to fail. over time everything fails.

Also i'm curious as to how you derived that was my argument.

 

[twistedchild420 5,000+ posts]

I sustained 4K with a stock 130amp ....Big 3....and 2 large batts in my trunk //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[manyhobbies 10+ year member]

You told him he was right, but then went on to destroy his argument that people should run large amplifiers and only adding a second battery. Good show sir! Nice finesse. Almost politician like.

Obviously you have nothing better to do with your time. "I" unlike you read through all of the extra information and actually understand what both parties were trying to make a point of. Did I frase what I was trying to say perfectly? probably not. I am sure the 2 will understand what I was trying to say.

There fact is, both statements originally made are useful and correct in their meaning.

I won't sit here and have a argument with anyone over fact or function and this would include you. Sorry no offense to anyone.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I sustained 4K with a stock 130amp ....Big 3....and 2 large batts in my trunk //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Hmmmm lol, I sure got no clue what i'm talking about!

Out of curiosity how long? And did you warm up the car? Or just hop in and boom away? Although 130 amp is pretty beefy it might not even matter.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Obviously you have nothing better to do with your time. "I" unlike you read through all of the extra information and actually understand what both parties were trying to make a point of. Did I frase what I was trying to say perfectly? probably not. I am sure the 2 will understand what I was trying to say.There fact is, both statements originally made are useful and correct in their meaning.

I won't sit here and have a argument with anyone over fact or function and this would include you. Sorry no offense to anyone.

Very wise

 

[ahole-ic]

Newsflash buddy Diode is not = to alternator. Just because your model of car doesn't make diodes in the alternator replaceable doesn't mean you are killing the alternator.
And yes an alt will die from a big draw eventually, but any quicker than normally? not usually. Like i said my step dad has replaced 3 in the last 4 years from diode failure with no after market electronics. Most daily systems just don't put enough strain on the battery to cause a diode to fail. over time everything fails.

Also i'm curious as to how you derived that was my argument.

newsflash dbag that's not what I was saying.

You're an idiot.

 

[manyhobbies 10+ year member]

Actually I apologize to the original poster. The question you asked, will an extra battery help? The aswere is indeed yes. However if you have read through all of this you will understand a lot more of why and also why it probably won't in the long run.

Russ

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

newsflash dbag that's not what I was saying. You're an idiot.

I love how when someone gets pissed "you're an idiot" becomes a synonym for "you are correct but i'll never admit it."

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[manyhobbies 10+ year member]

Exactly

 

[peterweiner]

I sustained 4K with a stock 130amp ....Big 3....and 2 large batts in my trunk //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

x2 except i had a stock alt. on an exploder

Hmmmm lol, I sure got no clue what i'm talking about!
Out of curiosity how long? And did you warm up the car? Or just hop in and boom away? Although 130 amp is pretty beefy it might not even matter.

almost 2 years, not a single problem EVER on mine.

did i just get lucky?.....i think not.

 

[ahole-ic]

I love how when someone gets pissed "you're an idiot" becomes a synonym for "you are correct but i'll never admit it."//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

ugh. Clearly that's not correct. It's that you're not worth arguing with and your new friend said he would not argue yet is in here doing just that. A battery will keep the voltage from dropping below 12 volts for a while, while the amplifier operates less efficiently causing it to draw more current. The battery/s will deplete on heavy draw especially the (now known to be fictional) 5000 watts worth of draw. That is almost 400 amps of current at 12v while the amp is putting out 5kw. It won't take long in that scenario, which is what I responded to. Will it damage the alt to recharge 2 batteries and an amplifier that won't let up? The answer really depends on how long this goes on, but my original post is correct. You are wrong in recommending this. You're sending other people down the wrong path. Just because you do it does not make it right. Just because something works for now does not make it a good idea. You can both circle jerk until you spooge this forum full of your bs but it doesn't make you right.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

x2 except i had a stock alt. on an exploder


almost 2 years, not a single problem EVER on mine.

did i just get lucky?.....i think not.

I think you know, but just to make sure, you know I was agreeing with him, I know you weren't lucky, thats my point.