ABX funny

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Ancient ABX testing data.

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx.htm

Funny

10 years ago - CD & DA

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_cd.htm

Funnier

ABX - Wire

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_wire.htm

GREAT TEST

ABX - Wondercap vs. Radioshack & 400 Hz. Allpass Filter vs. Straight Wire

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_caps.htm#psacs

This test is awesome. It totally kills audiophile thinking that a minimalist

signal path is superior. There are people who believe that capacitors in

the signal path are bad sounding and they prefer DC coupled stages.

Here's a test where not only did they use resistors and capacitors to make

the 'all pass' network, they really hit a home run by using the worse capacitors

possible for signal path, the ceramic capacitor. In spite of this bad design,

people failed the ABX and could not identify this all pass network vs. a hunk

of wire.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

ABX - ceramic vs. poly cap

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_caps.htm#psacs

The experimenters could not confirm any audible difference between polypropelene and ceramic in many ABX tests under normal conditions.

The condition that produced the above result of a difference was applying a 3.6 Watt heat source next to the capacitors. Even though the capacitor test circuit was not enclosed, with the added heat the ceramics lost capacitance to such an extent that the system's low frequence response was rolled off by 3 dB at 40 Hz.

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[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Since no one else posted... I will... No one cares about ABX. It's dumb, and really annoying. If it makes you superior to think the way that you do than I am very happy for you because I must just be a dumb **** because I have expensive cables and a $1000 CD Player......

K Thanks, good bye....

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

This could never work b/c different people have different sevsitivities of hearing. Plus in many SQ you have to know what it is you are listening for to actually notice it

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

This could never work b/c different people have different sevsitivities of hearing. Plus in many SQ you have to know what it is you are listening for to actually notice it

I agree.... Thy is a DIY-is-better-than-all-Line-Array-anything-corporate-home-audio-is-evil-google-to-find-500000000-articles-from -people-like-him-who-don't-know-everything-but-think-they-do kind of guy... Don't listen to him...

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

This could never work b/c different people have different sevsitivities of hearing. Plus in many SQ you have to know what it is you are listening for to actually notice it

ABX is a valid test.

http://sound.westhost.com/abx-tester.htm

Either you pass or fail the particular test.

Like a DNA test, you either boned the fat ugly chick and got her pregnant or

didn't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[60ndown 10+ year member]

ABX is a valid test. http://sound.westhost.com/abx-tester.htm

Either you pass or fail the particular test.

Like a DNA test, you either boned the fat ugly chick and got her pregnant or

didn't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

guilty:yumyum:

it was 25 years ago and i still think about her.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

ABX is a valid test. http://sound.westhost.com/abx-tester.htm

Either you pass or fail the particular test.

Like a DNA test, you either boned the fat ugly chick and got her pregnant or

didn't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

But audio isn't black and white, right and wrong. SO how can you have a test based on one or the other...

ABX just proves that audio isn't 100% not that something doesn't sound better than something else. All you band wagoners run around saying that cheap audio sounds just as good as expensive because it's what you believe and you think it proves it. Well, I don't believe it and I don't think it proves it. And obviously a lot of others don't think it proves anything either....

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I agree.... Thy is a DIY-is-better-than-all-Line-Array-anything-corporate-home-audio-is-evil-google-to-find-500000000-articles-from -people-like-him-who-don't-know-everything-but-think-they-do kind of guy... Don't listen to him...

Same could be said for Elite blowhards making themselves feel better about their absurd purchases type of guy. I like to listen to both and meet the 2 views in the middle, which is where the truth is on nearly everything.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Same could be said for Elite blowhards making themselves feel better about their absurd purchases type of guy. I like to listen to both and meet the 2 views in the middle, which is where the truth is on nearly everything.

True... But, there really are none here on this forum and they don't harp on that same "do this do this do this do this" type thing...

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

True... But, there really are none here on this forum and they don't harp on that same "do this do this do this do this" type thing...

This is the type of elitist thinking I mean.

Well believe what you want. But, you get what you pay for. You pay more and might not know what they do, but you can hear it. If you can't hear the difference (which some can't)... Hhahaha... Then good for YOU. BUT OBVIOUSLY others can (adam71, Beat, and myself), otherwise everyone would have a line array and a cheap $100 player and just own CD's.
K thanks that is all.....

That is an elitists justifying his absurd purchases. These "others" are merely affected by placebo. They don't posess super human hearing of some kind. Of course I do believe you get what you pay for. That is true, to an extent. There gets a point where you reach diminishing returns though and in real world environments the differences are inaudible. You and everyone else saying that an overpriced cable makes a difference in your ear is fooling themselves to feel better. Just as he always says DIY is the way to go, because it makes him feel better. You 2 are one in the same, just at different ends of the spectrum IMO.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

That is an elitists justifying his absurd purchases. These "others" are merely affected by placebo. They don't posess super human hearing of some kind. Of course I do believe you get what you pay for.

Wait just one second there bro. I am not affected by placebo. I have tried different brands on many different occasions. I've owned cheap stuff and mid-level priced stuff. I don't own really HIGHEND stuff because in my opinion its NOT worth it TO ME. I've fallen for the high priced cable trick before and never will again. I still have a $200 1 meter pair of monster cable rca interconnects that I bought 10 years ago. They're nice cables but I shouldn't have paid that much for them. Whether they sound BETTER than the cheaper cables or not is irrelevant. The fact is they sound DIFFERENT than the cheap cables and that DIFFERENT sound is what I like. Unfortunately now I have a Denon receiver and Denon universal disc player that connect via DENON LINK and I don't really need analog interconnects anymore.

My point is this. When I bought these Denon units I wasn't thinking "hey these will make my DVD movies and music sound better than anything I've ever heard". What I was thinking is that now I have a well built and long lasting set of components that are semi future proof and would sound GREAT. I have HDMI outputs on the DVD player and I have multi channel analog inputs for future surround formats. I'm not a spring chicken and I know what I'm hearing when I turn on my receiver at the end of a hard work day. So please don't call me an idiot that is falling for the placebo effect. I know you didn't use the word idiot but you might as well have.

In closing, you and anyone else can tell me til you're blue in the face that $1300 was too much to pay for a universal player and $1000 was too much for my receiver. In the end it was what I thought was the best value for my money and would last the longest in doing so. I've had these units almost 2 years now and couldn't be happier with them. In the end isn't that what matters most??

Sorry for writing a book but I had to express my means of thinking.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I don't own really HIGHEND stuff because in my opinion its NOT worth it TO ME. .

It isn't worth it to anyone, PERIOD. All justifications to the contrary are illusions created by a need to make you feel good about your purchase. I already said I agree you get what you pay for, just not to the level of people who spend stupid amounts of many do. Cables being my biggest pet peeve.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

It isn't worth it to anyone, PERIOD. All justifications to the contrary are illusions created by a need to make you feel good about your purchase.

You wanna talk about an elitist attitude, you're displaying one right now. You're trying to say that spending more than what YOU DEEM worth spending on audio gear isn't worth it. Thats a blanket statement that makes no sense. That is what people who don't want to spend more say to make themselves feel good. Everyone has different tastes and different income levels. What seems worth it to one will not to someone else. But you can't say its NOT worth it to anyone PERIOD, thats just plain BS.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

You wanna talk about an elitist attitude, you're displaying one right now. You're trying to say that spending more than what YOU DEEM worth spending on audio gear isn't worth it. Thats a blanket statement that makes no sense. That is what people who don't want to spend more say to make themselves feel good. Everyone has different tastes and different income levels. What seems worth it to one will not to someone else. But you can't say its NOT worth it to anyone PERIOD, thats just plain BS.

No, I have no problem with people being happy spending more. By all means do so. I just don't like hearing those people talk about how superior the sound is when I know there is no audibly measurable difference in real world application. The ABX tests showcase that fact.

I also agree that DIY is hardly the answer to everything. In fact for MOST of the world it is the wrong answer.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

No, I have no problem with people being happy spending more. By all means do so. I just don't like hearing those people talk about how superior the sound is when I know there is no audibly measurable difference in real world application. The ABX tests showcase that fact.

**** those tests, those guys are just a bunch of blow hards themselves. Real world application is what you make of it. Not to take the opinions of those know it alls.

My only little beef with you was saying that I fell for the placebo effect when in fact I hadn't. Other than that I have no problem with your opinion as it also holds true.