4 12's or.... 2 12's & 2 10's

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

What it comes down to man is that you are stuck on the driver being the primary part of the equation...while it is a large part, the box is equally important if not more important.

You can make a shitty driver sound wonderful in the right box, you can also make a great driver sound shitty.

What this proves...that the drivers over all response is dependant on the quality of construction and the design of the box.

 

[bdawson72 5,000+ posts]

well all you have done is say "you ****, i rule at building boxes... i can do anything better than you so i am going to be louder" i bet you'd say you could make a 10w6 get louder than i could make a 13w6... that may be true but it sais nothing about the ability of the subs, just like you! hmmm ironic? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

You really think that you have a point?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

that depends on the driver, yes there are several drivers where the 10's would win in the senario you mentioned... the w6 isn't one of them and...

He said same driver just different size... The box is almost more important than the driver in all honesty...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I seriously will go make a video now. I will go get the termlab out. I have 2 of the same driver here...
1 12" vs 1 15"

Same power, same brand, same model

Different box. both boxes would be constructed with equal quality.

I could get the 12" louder...WAY louder. On the same hand I could get the 15" louder than the 12" its all in the box.

I could take a Pyramid Hyper Pro and stomp some kid with a JL W7 12" with his nifty JL prefab box.

that is just retarded there is absolutly no reason for the 15 to lose unless you specifically engineered it to you are full of shit because you think your box building is all that... but a box can only improve a sub's performance so much

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

ok...its on dude. Please take me up on my bet.

Sealed vs ported or ported vs ported

I'll put the 15" in a ported box too, get it loud...loud as balls, and STILL get the 12" louder.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

What it comes down to man is that you are stuck on the driver being the primary part of the equation...while it is a large part, the box is equally important if not more important.
You can make a shitty driver sound wonderful in the right box, you can also make a great driver sound shitty.

What this proves...that the drivers over all response is dependant on the quality of construction and the design of the box.

but what you are completely ignoring is that subs aren't this thing that you can get whatever you want out of with the right box... i'm talking about the maximum specifacations here if you worked your "box magic" with both subs there is absolutly no reason that the 12 should beat the 15, if it does you did something wrong... thats why i said "free air from the beggining, i'm not talking about what the box does the the sub, i am only talking about the maximum potential of the driver

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

1 12" dude I can make it happen. Hell I'll post videos.

 

[oxygen65]

cotjones send me 2 of your 10s and your 13" sub. Ive got a smaller amp that should do fine. Ive got feedback and will pay for shipping. I will build two boxes both tuned to 34hz and meter them. Lets see which is louder.

ive got a 13w6v2 layin around that i will send him

all jones has to do is send the 10's and we can settle this

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

Now you change your story...But still it doesn't add up for you. I'll push the 15" to its mechanical and thermal limits in a SEALED enclosure.

and I'll NOT even tickle the 12" in a ported box and get it louder.

 

[jeremiah 10+ year member]

hmmmm

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

ok i'm gunna try this again... if you take 2 different 10's... 1 of them reaches an xmax of 1 inch at 1000 watts the other hits 2 inches at 500 watts... the second one will be louder at every level of power... so the point?

lol, no driver 2 will have a higher cone excursion, you're forgetting about cone area, if driver 1 had twice the cone area, they will be almost equal in terms of output, xmax doesn't mean shit if you don't have piston area. Same as voltage, voltage is a potential, it means squat without current flow.

yes when the 13 is at half potential, the 10's have the ability to beat it's output but to do so, the 10's have to be using quite a bit more than half their potential, half of the 13's potential is 250watts,half of the 2 10's potential is, 400 watts, so the 13 is allready winning in out put and using far less power

i'll do some comparisons to help you better understand...

lets say x is the MAXIMUM potential of the 13

y is the MAXIMUM potential of the 2 10's

so x > y ...even you agreed to this

maximum potential is cool, but like I said how often are you going to use that? Almost never is my guess.

now some more comparisonsso your given is x>y

that means...

x/z > y/z ...this simply means that when both setups are at a certain percentage of their max, the 13 will always be louder...

x(f) > y(f) ... again this means that if both setups are given any X amount of power each, the 13 will always be louder...

x>y how? You're being to vague with your statements. You can't say that the 13 will always be louder because you know it isn't true.

further more... the point is (starting at maximum out put going down) the first time the 10's have the ability to match the output of the 13 is when the 10 is at 71% of it's potential, even worse, to do it the 10's have to use their full potential and 800 watts.. to match the 13 at 71% and 355 watts... its safe to say without gray lines that the 13 stomps the 10's!

Match, as in to when the 13 catches up in output, is at that point, given that the 2 10s have more cone area, the 13 has to use it's higher excursion to catch up, you're backwards its that the 13 has to match the 10s, because like I've been saying the 10s have more output to a certain point, in which the 13 uses its higher throw to overcome the cone area difference, but you can't blindly say that the 13 will always be louder, because you know that isn't true.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

I swear when I get back to the shop this weekend I'll do this little experiement for cotjones.

Hell I'll make a vid of me building the box that way he can't say I sabotaged it.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

I swear when I get back to the shop this weekend I'll do this little experiement for cotjones.
Hell I'll make a vid of me building the box that way he can't say I sabotaged it.

I wouldn't even waste your time... He is not going to believe you.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

i'm done with this idiotic thread till someone sais something that makes sence

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

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That is all...