Title is pretty self explanatory, looking for something to prevent me from buying a zapco st-850xm.
Really? My first build I had kappa 4x6 in the front, and type r 6x9 in the back and I though it sounded pretty good, just with little lack of punch.. I though the 6x9 were some of the best speakers I've heard (in that price range) and had a lot of mid bass. Alpines defiantly have more midbass than infinities. In my current build I'm going to run the 6x9 in the front and either the 4x6 or nothing in the back to start off with, and go from there. I guess I am more of a newb than I thought. So I should look for a tight 12 with a box designed for what? I guess I need even more help from this forum.If you think bigger subs = boomer you are dead wrong. Thats a myth that needs to stop being passed around by idiots newbs that dont know how to install or tune for sh*t.
Well, its a boss, you cant make assumptions on anything when all you've heard and experienced are junk woofers sorry to say. All you've mentioned are all pretty junky sound quality and build wise.
The type R 6x9s neodymiums were the best cheap shallows I could find to fit my front doors. When playing full range, I dont like them at all compared to what i have in the rear if we are talking about midrange performance. I have them purely for midbass duty which is 500hz and below but thats it They **** everywhere else in the mids and highs area in comparison to a lot of gear that i've heard that costs even less. Planning on getting proper 10" midbasses in the door in the future.
Its not just certain songs, its all songs in general, there are systems that sound like that caddy running 30" rims and 1/8" tires with 3 16"s in a ported box, and they sound Boomy everywhere, then there are tight sub's that sound like someone getting punched. I hope I at least understand terms right. I really need to go somewhere where I can listen to systems with someone who knows there ****, but unfortunately, there are none around here. (That I know of)What songs were boomy for you? What songs do you usually like it being punchy? This could literally be just frequency response and output. Most newbs dont know the difference.
Really? My first build I had kappa 4x6 in the front, and type r 6x9 in the back and I though it sounded pretty good, just with little lack of punch.. I though the 6x9 were some of the best speakers I've heard (in that price range) and had a lot of mid bass. Alpines defiantly have more midbass than infinities. In my current build I'm going to run the 6x9 in the front and either the 4x6 or nothing in the back to start off with, and go from there. I guess I am more of a newb than I thought. So I should look for a tight 12 with a box designed for what? I guess I need even more help from this forum.
That dayton is one of the better SQ 12s out there for the money, I'd pit it up against a JL w6 anyday. It works fine in a .5 cubic feet to 1 cubic feet box depending on how deep you want to reach frequency wise. A good head unit with proper EQ can also make not just your music but your bass sound a lot better as well. Cleaner signal along with proper EQ options to get a very flat response.Really? My first build I had kappa 4x6 in the front, and type r 6x9 in the back and I though it sounded pretty good, just with little lack of punch.. I though the 6x9 were some of the best speakers I've heard (in that price range) and had a lot of mid bass. Alpines defiantly have more midbass than infinities. In my current build I'm going to run the 6x9 in the front and either the 4x6 or nothing in the back to start off with, and go from there. I guess I am more of a newb than I thought. So I should look for a tight 12 with a box designed for what? I guess I need even more help from this forum.
My 18s on Rock and Metal have tight and heavy punch as well as my buddy's 15 in a T line enclosure. Smashes your chest like no other on double bass pedals. Its all back to box design man. In order to get a proper punch, you need proper output. No 8 will give you that punch, not by a long shot. Way back then i was just like you, searching for the best option to get that punch, the only answer is through a good amount of cone area, proper box design and lots of power. On songs that need to be tight and punchy, it will be tight, accurate and punchy, songs that need to hit deep notes that flexes several inches of windshield, it'll play that fine. Songs that require some boom, it'll it that fine too along with choking you by the throat.Its not just certain songs, its all songs in general, there are systems that sound like that caddy running 30" rims and 1/8" tires with 3 16"s in a ported box, and they sound Boomy everywhere, then there are tight sub's that sound like someone getting punched. I hope I at least understand terms right. I really need to go somewhere where I can listen to systems with someone who knows there ****, but unfortunately, there are none around here. (That I know of)
I don't need to be flexing any windows for sure. So I guess I'm looking for a tight 12... About box tuning, I'd much rather get something ore bought so that puts me in a sealed box right? Do you know what frequency I would want for rock? I'm thinking 40-100 but again I have no idea. Would a smaller box be better for lower or higher frequencies? Just for a rule if thumb, some of my favorite songs are Metallica one, and slipknot the devil in I.That dayton is one of the better SQ 12s out there for the money, I'd pit it up against a JL w6 anyday. It works fine in a .5 cubic feet to 1 cubic feet box depending on how deep you want to reach frequency wise. A good head unit with proper EQ can also make not just your music but your bass sound a lot better as well. Cleaner signal along with proper EQ options to get a very flat response.
My 18s on Rock and Metal have tight and heavy punch as well as my buddy's 15 in a T line enclosure. Smashes your chest like no other on double bass pedals. Its all back to box design man. In order to get a proper punch, you need proper output. No 8 will give you that punch, not by a long shot. Way back then i was just like you, searching for the best option to get that punch, the only answer is through a good amount of cone area, proper box design and lots of power. On songs that need to be tight and punchy, it will be tight, accurate and punchy, songs that need to hit deep notes that flexes several inches of windshield, it'll play that fine. Songs that require some boom, it'll it that fine too along with choking you by the throat.
There are also 8s that are just as boomy and loud as 3 15s too. Here's a pair of 8s in super boomy action. https://vid.me/vNEL
Those same subs can be made to sound perfect for rock and metal as well being very tight and punchy. Its ALL on the box design.
Needless to say, You have many misconceptions about car audio and bass that need to be corrected young one.
Most people actually think the low rumble IS sound quality. In fact most people on this forum DO think that lol. Bose thinks that way too, hence they design their sub to perform like that. We are actually not the norm if you can believe that....By boomy I means more along the lines of subsonic rumble so I guess yeah, that's lower frequency, but that doesn't completely describe it, the sound is what it would like when you turn bass boost up to much and it has the distortion. Really any punk kid with a 12" $80 sub and a "50,000 watt peak power amp" makes the same sound and they love it, but I can't stand it... Maybe it's just distortion and I have a lot of misconceptions, but I dubt the stock Bose system in my Z would be tuned from the factory to distort at low volume.
Well I would say I'm alot more informed, I know more what I want, and how to properly describe it. Is there something to look for when looking for a sub, or is it mostly just getting a good quality sub and matching it with the proper box? I've never seen a sub advertised as being rumbly vs higher frequency.Most people actually think the low rumble IS sound quality. In fact most people on this forum DO think that lol. Bose thinks that way too, hence they design their sub to perform like that. We are actually not the norm if you can believe that....
sound quality is subjective, it'll be different for each person and how each person perceives it.
Yeah the new age of bass, the low rumbling bass culture is very prevalent everywhere. People recommending others to tune their ported boxes very low which just gives a ton of low bass and very transparent midbass and they call it sound quality.Well I would say I'm alot more informed, I know more what I want, and how to properly describe it. Is there something to look for when looking for a sub, or is it mostly just getting a good quality sub and matching it with the proper box? I've never seen a sub advertised as being rumbly vs higher frequency.
Is the ported box a must? I have fairly good fabricating skill, and a compound miter saw, but that looks like a hassle, and needs a table saw (that I don't have, I could use a circular saw I guess). I kinda would like to be able to buy something and just assemble it, but not if its going to sound rumbly.Yeah the new age of bass, the low rumbling bass culture is very prevalent everywhere. People recommending others to tune their ported boxes very low which just gives a ton of low bass and very transparent midbass and they call it sound quality.
For the sub choice, the most optimal solution for you would be to have a setup just like my buddy. His mustang with two 8"s in a 1/4 wave transmission line box tuned high is just savage on metal! Very clean tight hits and great musical range and can definitely get enough output even in a big suv.
This is what the box will look like, if you can follow the wood cutout sheets and blueprints to build it, this would be your best option.
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