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ax600
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wooh thats alot of info //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif Price?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif
ax600
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thanks
Now for the armored car heist lol jk
Bring97
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how does that not make sense, a square wave is worse on an amp/sub than a reg wave, plain and simplei hope that post was a joke.
what you just said was "playing square waves is worse than overpowering a sub"
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oh sht dude... underpowering a sub vs. overpowering is all using sine waves. Comparing low signal with clipping to high signal without is retarded. Of course it'll break stuff. But a low signal with clipping vs. a high signal with clipping, the high wattage will blow it a lot faster than the low wattage will. Don't turn things around to try to prove a flawed point.how does that not make sense, a square wave is worse on an amp/sub than a reg wave, plain and simple
Bring97
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im not trying to prove a flawed poin like i said MOST people turn the gains up more to compensate for the lack of power. hell if your over powering a sub with a clipped signal then yeah its gunna blow faster than a clipped signal of lower power, but how many people will turn the gain up with more power than needed? not many due to the fact that they know its enough power and they dont have to compensate for anything.
shawnfleming
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Ok I have 2 things to say on this thread. 1) The soundstream amps are no joke, I have 10 of them. The do awsome power at .7 and 18v's!
2) Not enough power will definately hurt a woofer than too much power. You can always turn the gains down on too much power, but cant do anything with not enough power. I clipped singal is WAY worse for a coil, than the thermal limits of the coil for too much power! Square waves are the worse thing you can do to a sub.
Perfect example. I use 2 RE MT 18's with 8 Soundstream xxx-6500d's. What is the sub rated at 10,000 watts or so. Where I am sending almost 30,000 to each one, but the signal is clean, so the subs are doing great.
2) Not enough power will definately hurt a woofer than too much power. You can always turn the gains down on too much power, but cant do anything with not enough power. I clipped singal is WAY worse for a coil, than the thermal limits of the coil for too much power! Square waves are the worse thing you can do to a sub.
Perfect example. I use 2 RE MT 18's with 8 Soundstream xxx-6500d's. What is the sub rated at 10,000 watts or so. Where I am sending almost 30,000 to each one, but the signal is clean, so the subs are doing great.
theCybe
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sector three
I almost posted here, then I stopped.
Dirty signal = smoking sub.
Clean signal = loud sub.
So the problem we're talking about here is human error; Cranking up that 100w amp's gains to the point of mass-clipping, because 100 clean watts isn't making enough noise on your 400wRMS sub.
Underpowering a sub is fine.
Dirty signal = smoking sub.
Clean signal = loud sub.
So the problem we're talking about here is human error; Cranking up that 100w amp's gains to the point of mass-clipping, because 100 clean watts isn't making enough noise on your 400wRMS sub.
Underpowering a sub is fine.
theCybe
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Underpowering hospital equipment is not. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Don't any amps come with Alts anymore?
Don't any amps come with Alts anymore?
J B M
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Team Pure Pressure
Hey Shawn - first time I saw you on here...I browse here every once in a while too. Are you going to Neil's show on the 3rd?
Anyway, I would listen to Shawn, he knows his ish...and here's my 2 cents on a couple of amps that'll give you 3K or more:
XXX6500D
T30001
XA3000D
Collosus
Good luck with your setup.
John
hoss
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imma genius. so **** it!
im going to post my two cents here...
clipped waves do not kill subs, clipped amps kills subs... a speaker is a simple device, you put alternating current through it, it moves back and forth. it doesent care what the shape of a wave is, it just does what it is told and nothing more. sure a square wave may go out, pause, go in, pause, go out, etc ,etc , etc... and during that pause it may allow the coil to heat slightly more than during a completely sinusoidal wave. however, consider this, the largest cooling factor for a voice coil comes from the back and forth motion of the coilitself. and a coilplaying a 60Hz wave moves back and forth 60 times a second no matter what the shape of the wave is.
when most people chalk a fried coil up to clipped waves, it is more accuratly said that a clipped amp did the damage. when amps go into clipping they do some pretty insane things, like producing waaaay more power than they do under normal operating conditions. more power leads tomore heat, more heat leads to blown coils...
in summation, waves do not killspeakers, heat does. and a square wave alone should not produce the extra heat neccesary to cause failure. but combine that with the extra power from a clipped amp...
clipped waves do not kill subs, clipped amps kills subs... a speaker is a simple device, you put alternating current through it, it moves back and forth. it doesent care what the shape of a wave is, it just does what it is told and nothing more. sure a square wave may go out, pause, go in, pause, go out, etc ,etc , etc... and during that pause it may allow the coil to heat slightly more than during a completely sinusoidal wave. however, consider this, the largest cooling factor for a voice coil comes from the back and forth motion of the coilitself. and a coilplaying a 60Hz wave moves back and forth 60 times a second no matter what the shape of the wave is.
when most people chalk a fried coil up to clipped waves, it is more accuratly said that a clipped amp did the damage. when amps go into clipping they do some pretty insane things, like producing waaaay more power than they do under normal operating conditions. more power leads tomore heat, more heat leads to blown coils...
in summation, waves do not killspeakers, heat does. and a square wave alone should not produce the extra heat neccesary to cause failure. but combine that with the extra power from a clipped amp...
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