2004 Pontiac GTO

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2004 Pontiac GTO

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.js...e&pagename=home

Not that it looks bad, but it certainly does not deserve the GTO Badge.

We have an 04' Red GTO (Manual) on the lot in town, and after giving it the look over, under, inside out, and taking her for a spin, I have one conclusion:

Just another Cavalier knock off.

I'll make the prediction that this car dies off horribly, and within the next year or two tops.

Back to the drawing board for the GTO Pontiac.

This is new creation, is definately not GTO Material.

 
I don't think the GTO is a BAD car, just should have never been called the GTO, cause... it's just not a GTO...

IMO... they should have scrapped that ugly ass 2004 Grand Prix and used what is now the GTO (AKA a Holen something or other...) as the grand prix, cause it's atleast acceptable as kick-ass GP...

Generous Motors is just dumb, and this is the best example since they introduced a re-bodied Grand Am and called it an Impala... they had it right in 96, but NOOOO...

 
oh shhhh Jmac //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

and ya that thing definitely does not deserve the title of GTO

 
:hilarious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :hilarious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif hahahahaha, you have silly buddies Jmac

 
I have just one question, how is it not GTO material if it not only meets, but surpasses every single performance, handling, emissions, and efficiency rating of the former GTO? Granted it may not be the right body style to carry on the traditional image, but for the money..finding a RWD muscle car for that cheap w/those features is a hard feat. I'll be ****ed surprised if you don't see more and more of them around. 9 out of 10 reviews I've read, as well as taking a look throughout the car at a local dealership all tell me that they've done a **** good job and it will be at least a worth succesor. Granted it may not create another legend..but it will certainly hold it's own.

 
"IMO... they should have scrapped that ugly ass 2004 Grand Prix and used what is now the GTO (AKA a Holen something or other...) as the grand prix, cause it's atleast acceptable as kick-ass GP..."

I believe you're talking about the Holden, Monaro..which I agree they should've left more monaro in their GTO...but with the new parts and designs came improvements as well. The important part that 5.7 L V8 is what they just nailed perfectly...

 
It's that blasted cost issue again. The boys at GM wanted to make a "replacement" for the Firebird, but did not want to dump a ton of money into developing a new platform right now. So that's why we get the re-badged Holden Monaro--for now. Rumor has it the current GTO is only intended to last about three years so they can develope a new chassis. The GTO will probably get re-designed onto the new chassis the new Camero will be getting.

The current GTO is supposed to be more "European" in its road manners, so it won't be as raw as the T/A. My only complaints: 1.) It's 500 lbs. heavier then the 'vett. 2.) The re-designed fuel tank location takes up too much trunk space, making a convertable model impossible, and raises the center of gravity at the back of the car; which is lousy for track use. 3.) The body design is too plain; not very "Pontiac" in its image. But that is to be blamed on the Holden car company, who's body designs are rather conservative. And no, it does not do the GTO any justice.

But other than that, it's a nice car. No T/A replacement, but nice.

Conclusion: The performance is O.K., the interior is nice, the body style needs to change, and the car needs to go on a diet (Too heavy).

At least it has a real nice set of front seats.

Later.

 
You just DON'T bring back a muscle car ...

You don't make it look like the new cars that look like space ships.

A muscle car has that special sound when you shut the doors. The power. The torque. Metal, not plastic. No technology crap.

To me it looks like a Grand Am/Grand Prix/Sunfire combination ripoff. I'd still drive one if it was given to me, but hey ... I'm not in line to buy one.

A muscle car is a muscle car. And this doesn't look like one.

- Steve

 
You just DON'T bring back a muscle car ...
You don't make it look like the new cars that look like space ships.

A muscle car has that special sound when you shut the doors. The power. The torque. Metal, not plastic. No technology crap.

To me it looks like a Grand Am/Grand Prix/Sunfire combination ripoff. I'd still drive one if it was given to me, but hey ... I'm not in line to buy one.

A muscle car is a muscle car. And this doesn't look like one.

- Steve

Agreed.

Only company that I know of that is bringing back an original muscle car, and doing it right is Ford.

The soon to be in production GT40.

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GT40 was a race car, not a muscle car, though it flexed like frankenstein on steriods...

and the Ford GT is NICE, the cobra concept is a disgrace though...

and just cause I'm only 20 doesn't mean I don't know anything about muscle, I'm restoring a 72 442 with my father.... 455 (drooling)

 
You just DON'T bring back a muscle car ...
You don't make it look like the new cars that look like space ships.

A muscle car has that special sound when you shut the doors. The power. The torque. Metal, not plastic. No technology crap.

To me it looks like a Grand Am/Grand Prix/Sunfire combination ripoff. I'd still drive one if it was given to me, but hey ... I'm not in line to buy one.

A muscle car is a muscle car. And this doesn't look like one.

- Steve
So run this by me again...how since the new car has much improved technology, with say...better sealing quieter doors...better suspension, efficiency..etc...It can't possibly be a muscle car? Muscle cars in their day looked similar to other cars on the road w/the difference of slight body mods and the power ratios..What's wrong w/a slightly sophisticated muscle car...

 
Agreed.
Only company that I know of that is bringing back an original muscle car, and doing it right is Ford.

The soon to be in production GT40.

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Even though a i hate ford with a fiery passion, you are right

 
I have just one question, how is it not GTO material if it not only meets, but surpasses every single performance, handling, emissions, and efficiency rating of the former GTO? Granted it may not be the right body style to carry on the traditional image, but for the money..finding a RWD muscle car for that cheap w/those features is a hard feat. I'll be ****ed surprised if you don't see more and more of them around. 9 out of 10 reviews I've read, as well as taking a look throughout the car at a local dealership all tell me that they've done a **** good job and it will be at least a worth succesor. Granted it may not create another legend..but it will certainly hold it's own.

cheap? that POS is more than 30 grand, you could go out by a brand new mustang GT for 23 grand, and you'll still run faster than a GTO plus you have alot of room for cheap aftermarket.

 
Anything that's over $100,000 can't really be considered a muscle car //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I'm pretty sure that passes into the supercar realm ...

I tend to think of the GT40 as both, in a weird cooky sort of way.

My point was, look at the old GT40. Then look at the new.

Thats how a car should be brought back in my book.

Kudo's to Ford for realizing this.

Now if only they would do something with the chasis on the 05 Mustang........

I like clean lines and a smooth vehicle.

The new "GTO" just doesn't do it for me one bit.

From the sounds of it over at ls1tech, a lot of that crowd isn't too keen on it either.

Yes, the new "GTO" screams Cavalier to me. I honestly can not see how anyone could miss that. There are several styling cues that they share.

Call it a Cavalier/Sunfire - Grand Prix rolled into one.

If GM want's to re-think and definately re-badge the new "GTO," I'm all for it.

Most likely any average "bandwagon" joe off the street will find this car allright enough. Personally, I like a car that responds a bit more when I floor it, has less weight, and has an agressive styling all of it's own.

When GM puts the new chasis under the 04 "GTO," that could likely change.

As for right now, after driving it; I personally found nothing at all that stands out above the pack. Several other vehicles out there easily offer as much, and more than this "GTO" does.

Sure it's spec sheet looks d*mn impressive, but in this case, an old saying comes to mind.

"Just because it looks good on paper, doesn't mean that it is the same off the paper."

Just my thoughts after spending the better part of a few hours with the car, driving it, and talking with the GM Techs here.

Agree or disagree, I don't really care.

You're welcome to do either.

In my book it sure as h*ll isn't anything GTO.

 
This is a muscle car:

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This is not:

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- Steve

 
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