was going to trade him a US amps 4ch for a orion 2500 and he insisted on me shipping first.. i told him no if he wanted to trade he would ship first .. and he agreed and went through a couple PM's over a spand of around 2weeks on reasons he couldnt make it to the UPS office day to day then no contact for around a week then i get a PM saying that he changed his mind and didnt want to trade anymore... so im thinkin he never had the 2500 and BTW he couldnt supply pics of the 2500 with his name beside it... thats why i wanted him ot ship first