$1200 for what new subs? On 6000 watts total

[46panel 10+ year member]

I just got my setup down and it is very nice and loud, I'm running 4 18" Fi BL's on two Sundown 3000D's, its just I am wanting to try new subs. So thinking either 4 15's or 2 or 3 18's or anything really. My main concern is just I am going to be losing a lot of cone area changing but don't want to lose output. It will be in an explorer with about 16 cubes to work with no wall. Give me some opinions, 1200 bucks to work with and really wanting to hitting 152ish range in a nice low tuned box powered by the two Sundown 3000's.

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[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

btl's

xcon's

lvl 5's?

 

[Frijoles24 10+ year member]

get one. lms ultra =]

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

An LMS Ultra wouldn't handle 6kw very well daily.

Losing so much cone area but wanting to keep output will, most likely, result in a system that is much more SPL based, and musicality will be lost. You could run something like a Warden that could throw up big numbers with that much power, but its frequency range would be limited due to requiring it stay near enclosure tuning to maintain such output levels.

 

[46panel 10+ year member]

An LMS Ultra wouldn't handle 6kw very well daily.
Losing so much cone area but wanting to keep output will, most likely, result in a system that is much more SPL based, and musicality will be lost. You could run something like a Warden that could throw up big numbers with that much power, but its frequency range would be limited due to requiring it stay near enclosure tuning to maintain such output levels.

Yea I actually thought of the wardens but I'd want two but the price of them is definitely over 1200, also thought of the new nightshades coming out and possibly BTL's. I really just don't know what else to do...when my 4 18's on 6000 watts tuned to 32hz can't do as good as a hairtrick as someone with half the equipment, its frustrating.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Its not fair to compare your system to others that way. Maybe yours doesn't do as good of a hair trick because your tuning is much lower, but that also means your system is more musical. Maybe its due to the different vehicles involved. Maybe you just need to tweak the system you already have. Way too many variables to simply blame your speakers and start swapping equipment.

 

[46panel 10+ year member]

Its not fair to compare your system to others that way. Maybe yours doesn't do as good of a hair trick because your tuning is much lower, but that also means your system is more musical. Maybe its due to the different vehicles involved. Maybe you just need to tweak the system you already have. Way too many variables to simply blame your speakers and start swapping equipment.

Yea I hear ya, thanks. Maybe I should stop spending so much money on trying to make my boxes look nice and figure out what works first before going all out on it.

First vid shows the box/subs. Second is a little better hairtrick still nothing that great. The notes sound high but thats just the disortion from the stupid phone's mic. I know it looks close the hatch but really is a good 5 inches away and I've seen alot of boxes in SUV's with a box similar to this size and the distance between the hatch and the height to the roof.

 

[mclerico83 5,000+ posts]

TC Sounds / MTX 9500 proto 18 by Robot - eBay (item 220567039603 end time Apr-04-10 16:09:35 PDT)

2 of these

 

[ahole-ic]

Its not fair to compare your system to others that way. Maybe yours doesn't do as good of a hair trick because your tuning is much lower, but that also means your system is more musical. Maybe its due to the different vehicles involved. Maybe you just need to tweak the system you already have. Way too many variables to simply blame your speakers and start swapping equipment.

Hairtricks happen at very low frequencies, so to say his system can't do hairtricks but it's more musical because it's tuned low doesn't really make sense. I know what you meant to say, but it really didn't have to do with tuning but rather box volume. A smaller box with have a higher peak but quicker rolloff. It's not really musical but just above tuning it will be impressive.

The OP probably has a maximally flat tuned box, whereas a box tuned at 32hz with half the volume will have a higher peak, handle more power, but also not be very musical.

I think the problem here is, the OP is under the impression that more equipment = higher spl. That is simply not the case. It's all in your box build.

 

[46panel 10+ year member]

TC Sounds / MTX 9500 proto 18 by Robot - eBay (item 220567039603 end time Apr-04-10 16:09:35 PDT)2 of these

Interesting

 

[46panel 10+ year member]

Hairtricks happen at very low frequencies, so to say his system can't do hairtricks but it's more musical because it's tuned low doesn't really make sense. I know what you meant to say, but it really didn't have to do with tuning but rather box volume. A smaller box with have a higher peak but quicker rolloff. It's not really musical but just above tuning it will be impressive. The OP probably has a maximally flat tuned box, whereas a box tuned at 32hz with half the volume will have a higher peak, handle more power, but also not be very musical.

I think the problem here is, the OP is under the impression that more equipment = higher spl. That is simply not the case. It's all in your box build.

And I do understand it is in the box build, not just having more equipment. I have had a wall, giving the BL's 7.5 cubes each, then sub up port back giving them about 5 cubes each, and now the four of them are in a small box giving them 4 cubes each which I KNOW are not recomended and the reason I am wanting to go with less cone area but not want to lose output which I know is possible since it is always said that smaller subs in a proper size box will perform better then more subs in a poor enclosure. The small box I figured would be fine because the Sundown 3000's are at .5ohm each so the BL's are getting some good power, but even with the smaller box and tuned low they bottom out at a high volume.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Hairtricks happen at very low frequencies, so to say his system can't do hairtricks but it's more musical because it's tuned low doesn't really make sense. I know what you meant to say, but it really didn't have to do with tuning but rather box volume. A smaller box with have a higher peak but quicker rolloff. It's not really musical but just above tuning it will be impressive. The OP probably has a maximally flat tuned box, whereas a box tuned at 32hz with half the volume will have a higher peak, handle more power, but also not be very musical.

I think the problem here is, the OP is under the impression that more equipment = higher spl. That is simply not the case. It's all in your box build.

The resonant frequency of the vehicle will play a large role in what frequency will exhibit the best 'hair trick', as you are essentially creating a quasi-bandpass effect using the window(s) as ports.

 

[ahole-ic]

The resonant frequency of the vehicle will play a large role in what frequency will exhibit the best 'hair trick', as you are essentially creating a quasi-bandpass effect using the window(s) as ports.

Having a term lab I can tell you that the resonant freq of the vehicle doesn't get lower when the windows go down. It goes up slightly. The hair trick is achieved by getting close to 150 while being below 40hz. (You can do hairtricks higher than 40hz, but it's just not as impressive.) Most vehicles do not peak at 40hz or below.

 

[46panel 10+ year member]

I think I heard explorers peak around 48-50...but I hit a 151.1 with my old setup of 3 18's playing music and the hairtrick with that setup could still be barely acheived but even worse than what it is now. I thought tuning lower would give me a better chance to move some air, but now just thinking of going back to 35 36ish instead of 31 32.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Having a term lab I can tell you that the resonant freq of the vehicle doesn't get lower when the windows go down. It goes up slightly. The hair trick is achieved by getting close to 150 while being below 40hz. (You can do hairtricks higher than 40hz, but it's just not as impressive.) Most vehicles do not peak at 40hz or below.

I did not say the res freq lowered by rolling the windows down.