ngsm13
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Ok, first of all...you will get much better sound from round speakers than oval speakers. Oval speakers tend to distort much easier at higher volumes. Also, for better SQ go with component speakers as opposed to coaxial. Another good point...don't get rear fill. It's a waste...especially in a truck. REALLY, with a great component set powered by an amp up front...there is no need for rear fill, also...it might pull ur sound stage to the rear which is bad.
SO:
http://www.thezeb.com cdt-cl61a's or cdt HD-62 150-200
Component amp: US acoustics 2100, look around...bout $100 or so
sub amp: us acoustics 2150...$150 at thezeb.com
no rear fill...no need for it...with items listed above...your truck will sound great. peace
NG
SO:
http://www.thezeb.com cdt-cl61a's or cdt HD-62 150-200
Component amp: US acoustics 2100, look around...bout $100 or so
sub amp: us acoustics 2150...$150 at thezeb.com
no rear fill...no need for it...with items listed above...your truck will sound great. peace
NG
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Is is hard to put 6.5's in where 6x9's used to be? also, I want to have the rear subs' amp on a switch. I don't think that my wife likes it as loud as I do. So, is this going to sound like butt with just fronts and no rear fills?
audioholic
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Interesting. I actually have a 98 RAM quad cab also. Its a 4x4 with the sport and off-road packages in case you are wondering. Anyway, I bought the truck about a year ago, and have toyed with the idea of putting a system into it. But the problem for me has been, my ideas get too big. I commend you for putting in a system and yet keeping the rear seat, that's no small task in itself. Im assuming you ardered one of those Q-logic or JL enclosures Ive seen advetised for them?
My idea's start small, some junk under the rear seat, but in no time Im thinking of removing the seat and making walls n crap. *rolls eyes* I have a sickness I tell ya.
Anyway, about mounting 6.5's in a 6x9 opening, it may or may not be possible. You basically can if you can do one of 2 things, cut a little metal to make room for the larger diameter of the 6.5 (vs the 6" center od the 6x9 ellipse). Or, you can buy/make a transition plate. Honestly, Ive never even taken the doors off my truck, but Im guessing there's enough room to add a transition plate. This plate, or ABS plastic braket if you can/do buy an aftermarket mount for that truck, will move the speaker out from the door, therefore allowing it to fit into the smaller opening (due to the basket footprint funneling down the further it moves out.. if that makes sense). This will help with speaker mounting depth concerns, but you must make sure you have room from the front of the speaker to the plastic door panel once in place. Generall, if an aftermarket plastic bracket is made, and most likely is, its possible to do. Id go to your local install shop or best buy, and ask them if such a bracket is available for your truck.
As for the front speakers, although technically what the other poster said is true about round cones being inheritantly strongly/cleaner, there's something to be said for the added cone area of a 6x9 over a 6.5 speaker. Its true an oval cone will deform easier under stress, but in the real world most people wouldn't hear such differences. Im sure everyone here thinks they could and do, but this isnt exactly a good representation of the average joe with a car stereo. And alot of people's ears aren't nearly as discriminating as they like to think (not directed at anyone specifically here). But with that being said, as an owner of one myself, I happen to know 98 RAM's have a nicely placed tweeter on their pillar. There's something to be said for seperating a woofer and tweeter (see above comments about people's discriminating ear), but overall I like the stock placement as it keeps the soundstage high, in your face, where it should be. My only recommendation is, since the tweeters are right there, that you go with a soft dome tweeter to keep those highs from getting a bit too edgy.
For an amp, Id suggest ebay. You already mentioned ebay so clearly you know this, Im sure you can find as good a deal there as anyone else here. I was noticing the low prices on some Reference series amps by Soundstream, and their newer Rubicons, on there just the other day myself. Even more premium brands like xtant can be found there for very good prices. If you want new (ebay is mostly used, although certainly not all), check out http://www.ikesound.com Ive never used them, but they seem to have a good rep, and their prices are amazing.
Amp brand? Whatever fits your budget, fits your system, has the extras you want and gives you a slight woody every time you look at it, in that order.
Rear fill? Hmm, I tend to agree its not necessary in that truck. But, for anyone in the back, it will sound worse. I suggest leaving the rear speakers stock (or a cheap upgrade if yours are shot) and powering them off the headunit. *shrug* If you wire it right, you should be able to control the volume of the rear speakers independant of the front to balance it out, or even tur off the rears when/if you want.
Good luck and I hope you keep posting here how your project goes, Im interested to know. =]
My idea's start small, some junk under the rear seat, but in no time Im thinking of removing the seat and making walls n crap. *rolls eyes* I have a sickness I tell ya.
Anyway, about mounting 6.5's in a 6x9 opening, it may or may not be possible. You basically can if you can do one of 2 things, cut a little metal to make room for the larger diameter of the 6.5 (vs the 6" center od the 6x9 ellipse). Or, you can buy/make a transition plate. Honestly, Ive never even taken the doors off my truck, but Im guessing there's enough room to add a transition plate. This plate, or ABS plastic braket if you can/do buy an aftermarket mount for that truck, will move the speaker out from the door, therefore allowing it to fit into the smaller opening (due to the basket footprint funneling down the further it moves out.. if that makes sense). This will help with speaker mounting depth concerns, but you must make sure you have room from the front of the speaker to the plastic door panel once in place. Generall, if an aftermarket plastic bracket is made, and most likely is, its possible to do. Id go to your local install shop or best buy, and ask them if such a bracket is available for your truck.
As for the front speakers, although technically what the other poster said is true about round cones being inheritantly strongly/cleaner, there's something to be said for the added cone area of a 6x9 over a 6.5 speaker. Its true an oval cone will deform easier under stress, but in the real world most people wouldn't hear such differences. Im sure everyone here thinks they could and do, but this isnt exactly a good representation of the average joe with a car stereo. And alot of people's ears aren't nearly as discriminating as they like to think (not directed at anyone specifically here). But with that being said, as an owner of one myself, I happen to know 98 RAM's have a nicely placed tweeter on their pillar. There's something to be said for seperating a woofer and tweeter (see above comments about people's discriminating ear), but overall I like the stock placement as it keeps the soundstage high, in your face, where it should be. My only recommendation is, since the tweeters are right there, that you go with a soft dome tweeter to keep those highs from getting a bit too edgy.
For an amp, Id suggest ebay. You already mentioned ebay so clearly you know this, Im sure you can find as good a deal there as anyone else here. I was noticing the low prices on some Reference series amps by Soundstream, and their newer Rubicons, on there just the other day myself. Even more premium brands like xtant can be found there for very good prices. If you want new (ebay is mostly used, although certainly not all), check out http://www.ikesound.com Ive never used them, but they seem to have a good rep, and their prices are amazing.
Amp brand? Whatever fits your budget, fits your system, has the extras you want and gives you a slight woody every time you look at it, in that order.
Rear fill? Hmm, I tend to agree its not necessary in that truck. But, for anyone in the back, it will sound worse. I suggest leaving the rear speakers stock (or a cheap upgrade if yours are shot) and powering them off the headunit. *shrug* If you wire it right, you should be able to control the volume of the rear speakers independant of the front to balance it out, or even tur off the rears when/if you want.
Good luck and I hope you keep posting here how your project goes, Im interested to know. =]
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- #6
the box is not the jl or the probox but is a knock off got it for $85 shipped from http://www.audiooutfitter.com
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dang, just got outbid on the image dynamics, now I need to find subs too. It sucks trying to find shallow subs for decent price.
mtx 8000 10's are 5 inch mounting depth,but 5/8 more sticking out box plus dunno if u can actually fit them in ur box,got some in my single cab truck
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