Featured Using your entire car as a HUGE ported enclosure?

Many years ago, while driving my car, I had the most incredible bass experience among all of my experiments. Surprisingly, I was using just two 10-inch speakers. One was in a BP6 box placed at the back seat and tuned close to 20 Hz, while the other was in a ported enclosure placed at the trunk and tuned around 30 Hz. That system wasn't really designed to work so well. But it seems like the car was doing something special.

More than special, it felt magical. The bass was so deep that I could hear the rattling of the aluminum garage doors from the surrounding buildings, which were about ten meters away from the car.

I know every car promotes a bass gain of 12 dB/oct gain below a certain frequency, around 70 Hz, but something else was going on. When I opened the front windows, the sound felt especially deep and reinforced around 20 Hz. I tested opening all four windows, but that wasn't as good as opening just one or two of the front windows.

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So now I realize that the car itself was working as a ported enclosure and I was sitting inside it, with my years in between the two enclosure's ports. Looking at the above image carefully, we can notice that the door space has a depth of a few centimeters, around 15 cm perhaps, with flared ends on the inside and outside part.

Then it makes sense when you look at the Helmholtz resonator formula, which correlates the port area (A) and length (L) to the enclosure's volume (V) and tuning frequency (f). Because this is calculated independently of the loudspeaker being used:

L = [c²× A] / [4π²× f²× V] - 0.85×√A​
or​
f = (c/2π) × √(A/(V × (L + 0.85×√A)))​
where c is the speed of sound (usually 343 m/s) and 0.85 is the constant for a double-flared port​

I was in a Volkswagen Gol car, which is a small and compact hatch car. I can estimate its dimensions as:
  1. Internal volume: 2500 m³
  2. Window cross-sectional area: 35x45 = 3150 cm² each
  3. Window depth: 15 cm
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With that data, I can verify that a single open window will work as a port tuned to 23.1 Hz and two windows will tune to 27.6 Hz.

So I was thinking... If I made an infinite baffle setup in the car, then it would actually sound like a ported enclosure, instead. :unsure:

The idea is to cut a round hole in the spare tire's well and place a big driver there. Perhaps not just one but the three AE IB15 drivers I have. I could mount them in a cozy mainfold. This is something I had been thinking about for many years, but I'm now more encouraged since others have already done it (see post):

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My target car is now a station wagon model that must have around 3000 liters of internal space. Using WinISD, I simulated the 3 drivers in a 3000 sealed box, which tunes to 24 Hz. Then, I also simulated a ported box with 1 window open and 2 windows open. With one window it tunes into 17,2 Hz and with two windows tune to 24.3 Hz. Those are the results:

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With just 100 w for each driver, the system has a reference level of 118 dB, with the one-window ported peaking +2.7 dB at 20-30 Hz and the two-window ported peaking at +8 dB at 26.7 Hz. All simulations use a highpass filter at 15 Hz to keep the cone excursion within bounds (18 mm for each driver).

Yes, I know the car is as rigid as a box should be, so it's not a sturdy ported box, but I'm guessing the actual results would stay in between one of those three simulations. Does that seem right?

Has anyone had that same experience before?
 
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Has anyone had that same experience before?
Yes. I have a 1999 Silverado and when I crack a window, the lower bass notes immediately sound louder. It definitely gets better with both windows fully open.
As far as that wheel well experiment goes, I think a fully sealed mounting baffle would work great. It would also allow you to keep the subs a bit more protected from road debris.
 
Yes. I have a 1999 Silverado and when I crack a window, the lower bass notes immediately sound louder. It definitely gets better with both windows fully open.
Hmm. That's a car with a much smaller cabin with 1500 liters since it does not have the back seats, and it probably has a slightly bigger window (maybe 45x45). Throwing in those numbers tells me that your windows were being tuned to 37 Hz. That matches with the tuning of most sealed car boxes, and the range of all normal music tracks.

However, I'm targeting the lower range (close to 20 Hz) and I need it at the highest SPL. It's the sound that you only hear at the best nightclubs. Special music tracks are needed.

As far as that wheel well experiment goes, I think a fully sealed mounting baffle would work great. It would also allow you to keep the subs a bit more protected from road debris.
But sealed boxes are the least efficient in the lower end (20 Hz). It will not play 20 Hz loud. And you might not be able to throw 20 Hz at full power because of cone excursion.

For instance, my He15 sub fits well in a 33 L small box but there it makes just 70 dB/w at 20 Hz Whatever driver you test in a small sealed box will always give very similar output at 20 Hz.

In contrast, when simulating "whell well" setup, I can use three IB15 drivers in a manifold, and the predicted response is 95 dB/w at 20 Hz. This 25 dB difference makes it incomparable.

In regards to the debris, they would be safe with a manifold similar to this one:

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Video with the car IB setup:


He has made a cut to the well, and uses a layer of foam material covering it:

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But am pretty sure this foam at the bottom is restricting the bass output. I would try to find a different solution to hold the debris. Something that would not obstruct the airflow.
 
With that data, I can verify that a single open window will work as a port tuned to 23.1 Hz and two windows will tune to 27.6 Hz.
Congrats on having had a profound revelation. The observation you've made is the answer to a myth/legend that's plagued car audio for a long time. A sub enclosure in a sealed cabin is a box within a sealed box. Open a window, the sunroof or the trunk lid and now you have a box within a ported box with a very low tuned frequency. Yup, it gets louder.

The long standing myth/legend is that this phenomenon is due to "reflections". Sound reflects off the windows and somehow ends up out of phase with the sub and therefore cancels some of its output. Total BS.

Make it known - tell the truth.
 
My advice is to test and learn. Tuning for under 20hz response don't require a 20hz tuning. Seriously... under 20hz is so far away from most music why try to kill yourself shooting for it. Idk... rolling HT or something with added road noise?
 
What I meant is sealing the front of the baffle from the rear or exposed side.
Oh, so you were still talking about IB. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Instead of a manifold I think it more pragmatic to make a raised floor.
A raised floor takes too much space from the trunk, partially defeating the purpose of an IB. But a thin mesh seems enough. Like this "Galvanized Steel Mosquito Screen":

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The long standing myth/legend is that this phenomenon is due to "reflections". Sound reflects off the windows and somehow ends up out of phase with the sub and therefore cancels some of its output.
The measured car SPL reveals that there is a lot more going on in addition to the window port effect that I described.

In regards to the cancellation effect, can be observed in the mid-bass.

I believe that if the sub is placed at the center of the car (over the back seats) and the car is oval-shaped (like the one I had), that would minimize the overall resonance effects of the car:

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However, usually it is placed at the end of the trunk and the car is long, so it causes a "pipe effect":

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Those SPL measurements below are from JBL. They show the cancellation effect occurring slightly below 70 Hz in most vehicles:

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This effect seems to fit the pipe harmonics calculation formula, which depends on the length that the sound takes to travel through the long-shaped car:

f_n = (n * c) / (2 * L)
or
L = (n * c) / (2 * f_n)

Where:
  • f_n = frequency at which cancellation occurs for the nth harmonic (in Hz)
  • n = harmonic number (1, 2, 3, ...)
  • c = speed of sound in air (approximately 343 m/s at room temperature)
  • L = effective internal length of the car (in meters)

So if the first and strongest dip in the response is at 68 Hz, we can assume it is the first harmonic, so the effective car length can be calculated as 343 / (2 * 68) = 2.5 meters, which seems to be correct if you consider that there is a curved trajectory from the back of the trunk to the floor of the driver/passenger, as I show in the image. In real pipes, the harmonics will also create great peaks, but since the car has a huge amount of absorption material, the resonations are more likely to cause dips than peaks.



Yet, the mid-bass resonance is not the most prominent car effect. What is more noticeable is the lower-end gain in the bass. And it's not just the "window port" effect. It goes much beyond that. The response that I posted before shows about +8 dB at 20 Hz, but the car measurements show much more, around +20 to +25 dB at 20 Hz (compared to the loudspeaker's reference SPL level). The huge gains are due to "directivity".

If you add a wall at the side of a subwoofer dividing the entire airspace around it in half, the subwoofer suddenly gains +3 dB in efficiency. Because the air around it will become "heavier". This is why adding a 2nd sub gives you +6 dB. This is +3 in the overall efficiency (because you gave half airspace for each sub) and another +3 dB because you doubled the overall input power.

But if you divide the air space again (by adding another wall or by doubling the subs again), you get another +3 dB in efficiency. You can do this multiple times. This is why horns are so efficient. Horns allow the loudspeaker to transfer a huge amount of power into the air with a small cone excursion, so it is a more efficient transfer. And since the car restricts the airspace so much, it produces a similar effect as a horn, in regards to the lower end frequencies. The efficiency gain happens when the wavelengths are long enough so that the wave generation becomes "heavier" inside the car than outside of it.

As noted by measurements, the car gains at the lower end begin around 60-85 Hz:

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I believe the exact frequency where the gains start depends on the quarter wavelength effect. It's the length needed for the expansion phase of the wave. The quarter wavelength of 60 Hz is (343 / 60) / 4 = 1.4 meters, which is about the maximum width we find in cars. So waves above 60 Hz can spread to the sides but waves below 60 Hz start to feel forced in just one direction, similar to the effect of a horn. And for 85 Hz, we get (343 / 85) / 4 = 1 m for the quarter wavelength, which matches the width of many trunks, so there can be some gain below 85 Hz too.

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Image source here.
 
Interesting thread. I've seen people online with big 6th order wall builds talk about the overall system being an 8th order, because the cabin and windows act as a third ported chamber. It seems to have some merit, with opening/closing doors and windows resulting in different db scores and peak hz.
 
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