Current events discussion

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So, what do you want? Do you want the U.S. to fight Russia?



Idk how you fix that shit man.

They just believe in crazy. Peter Boghossian used to submit hoax research papers to see what he could bet through the system. Hilarious stuff. You can't fix crazy.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Those are vtol capable American made f35's that they couldn't operate without us, it was literally in what I already quoted, lol, no need to post a pic, so they can't use them to fight Russia if we pull out of nato, point still stands those carriers aren't on the same level or capabilities as one with catapult, so.... you just want to argue out of context. I was talking about the EU, dammit, not Canada. I talk about the EU taking advantage of us and you start making Canadian talking points. How is anyone supposed to have a convo with you?

So they have planes on their carriers that they can't fly without us?
The Brits don't have any pilots in the RAF?
You crack me up.

Why are you hung up on catapults? If they can handle. VTOL and STOL, then that's what they'll have on board.

If the EU only had one carrier with one F-35 on it, it would be more than Russia.

My question was HOW the EU is "taking advantage of us". I referenced a prior quote the orange garbage one had similarly made about Canada.
Are the EU and Canada "taking advantage of us" differently?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

They don't and it's not even about what each military has or don't have...they are too dependent on Russia for energy to bargain from a position of strength...

It's amazing that people can't figure out that there are only two parties holding any cards in these negotiations. Maybe the UK holds some cards, but the UK has too much going on internally to play a major role in these negotiations.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If that's what you believe Trump is up to, then run with that narrative.

So you are saying that Trump is lying? As a defense of what he is saying?

Hmmmm, either option is a bad one. 1) He's lying just as much as last time he was in office. 2) He's demented and has no clue what he is saying.
Lose, lose.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So they have planes on their carriers that they can't fly without us?
The Brits don't have any pilots in the RAF?
You crack me up.

Why are you hung up on catapults? If they can handle. VTOL and STOL, then that's what they'll have on board.

If the EU only had one carrier with one F-35 on it, it would be more than Russia.

My question was HOW the EU is "taking advantage of us". I referenced a prior quote the orange garbage one had similarly made about Canada.
Are the EU and Canada "taking advantage of us" differently?

If europe doesn't have f35's then they don't have any very useful vtols lol, all it would be would be helicopters. Man, you are slow. It would mean their carriers would be just helicopter carriers, because no f35's that's basically all they'd be able to use, unless they went back to harriers, lol. Canada isn't europe, we were talking about europe and their defense and them taking advantage of us specifically. EU is taking advantage of us like trump says, NATO is too like trump says.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Ukraine will have to lose land in any deal made (with or without Trump being involved) they just don't have any kind of position to negotiate from...

I know. I don't get why it's so shocking to everybody else. Personally, I'm fine with the Biden Era policy of never ending war, but I smart enough to accept that the majority of Americans want our involvement to come to an end. That means negotiating and accepting the reality of the situation.

 

[Old_Slapper]

False. The Biden administration gave a potential budget for $400 million. They only approved around $400,000. And that budget was certainly NOT earmarked for Tesla exclusively.

Also false. Musk is simply pushing these narratives with little to back them up. Kind of like how's he's claimed to be Ukraine's only solution for satellite service....which is also proving to be false as Eutelsat is working on launching new satellites right now....in the case that Moscow Musk decides to shut down services.

Holy Crap Bro,
Please go back and ready my original comment on this. You are repeating what I was saying as if I never said it. I said, they were given a budget of $400M for armored electric trucks. When the documents were written up, they put Tesla trucks instead of electric trucks. That's why Musk said he didn't know about it.

Musk was not pushing the claims. The FAA was.

As for the satellites for Ukraine, Ukraine is already set up with Starlink. If they switched, it would cost billions. That's money that Ukraine doesn't have and is hoping that Europe will front the bill to switch to Eutelsat, which might not happen. The Eutelsat will cost a lot more than Starlink.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Zelensky wanted to sign a peace deal. Not a surrender with zero guarantees that Russia won't immediately start attacking again. Trump and Vance showed the entire world what pieces of shit they were during that conference. Hell.....they actually allowed RUSSIAN PRESS into the conference FFS. How much more blatant do you need things to be? Trump is trying to sell out Ukraine and Zelensky is doing what's best for Ukraine.

Nobody ever said They want Ukraine to surrender. I have no idea where you got that idea from. I watched the conference, at it was only about peace treaties and cease fire talks. The argument is due to Zelensky complaining about us not giving him enough money. And who cares if the Russian press was there. Are they not allowed to see what is happening? Most of their press is against the war. Show me where Trump is trying to sell him out. It sounds like you're trying to put too much into it.

You notice how the war started under Obama, stopped when Trump was voted into office, then started back up when Trump left office? That's because the US is the only threat to Russia and we all know how weak Obama and Biden are when it comes to negotiating with other countries.

They CANNOT balance the NEW CUTS without slashing into thing like medicaid. They're already taking a hatchet to the SSA. Have you not seen the cuts to the service? And who knows what will happen with benefits. Trump's right hand stooge, Musk, has already been floating potential cuts. Calling them entitlements to help out his case, no doubt.

Musk eyes Social Security and benefit programs for cuts while claiming widespread fraud

Elon Musk says Social Security and other federal benefit programs will be targeted in his hunt for fraudulent spending.

apnews.com

Again, you are not reading what I am saying. You are only trying to be quick to say what you want. That's how Rob argues.

I already agreed that they are cutting SSA and Medicaid programs. I also told you what programs are being cut. Do you believe our SSA and Medicaid tax dollars should go to those who are not citizens and who don't pay taxes? It's not a hard question to answer.

Yes, you've bought the lies that were sold to you. You probably go out to the DOGE website and see the ever growing "savings" tabulator (which is just set to grow by $4 billion everyday regardless of what happens) and don't care about the fact that documented "savings" are nowhere near the claims. lol....one of the biggest savings so far has been the $400 million cybertruck scam being caught. Whoops.

I don't buy lies and I sure as heck don't trust the government with spending my tax dollars. Believing is lies is what someone does when they believe the government is being honest with their tax dollars and putting them where they belong. I gave you a couple examples on where the money was being wasted. Why not Google them and see if they are fake claims. I know I did, and nothing came up to disprove them.

Again, the Cyber Truck deal was never a deal. I already proved that to you, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up, unless you're just trying to hold on to your liberal lies.

Ah, so in order to entice a small number of companies to bring business to the United States, we'll just blow another gigantic hole into tax revenues with no way to make those funds back?

Terrible idea. Sorry to say, it's nothing more than a grift.....and will lead to long-term.....lasting damage.

I ask you to please take an economics course. You will see that most of our tax dollars do not come from corporations. They come from small businesses and the civilians. Let me give you a quick lesson on economics and big corporations affect our tax revenue. A large manufacture will come in. They will hire hundreds to thousands of employees to make a product. To make those products, they need suppliers. Well those suppliers now need more employees and materials for the products. So, the suppliers need suppliers, and the list goes on. At the end, that large corporation is only at the top of a huge pyramid of business with thousands of overall getting jobs because of them.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If europe doesn't have f35's then they don't have any very useful vtols lol, all it would be would be helicopters. Man, you are slow. It would mean their carriers would be just helicopter carriers, because no f35's that's basically all they'd be able to use, unless they went back to harriers, lol. Canada isn't europe, we were talking about europe and their defense and them taking advantage of us specifically. EU is taking advantage of us like trump says, NATO is too like trump says.

Europe has F-35s. They have them on the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth. They are piloted by RAF fighter pilots.
Their military has 30 of them currently in operation.

Instead of repeating what "Trump says", are you able to tell me the HOW of your claim that the EU is "taking advantage of us"?
Can you be specific, or does your knowledge end at repeating Trumps claim?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you are saying that Trump is lying? As a defense of what he is saying?

Hmmmm, either option is a bad one. 1) He's lying just as much as last time he was in office. 2) He's demented and has no clue what he is saying.
Lose, lose.

You're just going off in insane tangents ar this point. Maybe Trump is just trying to negotiate a peace agreement.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I know. I don't get why it's so shocking to everybody else. Personally, I'm fine with the Biden Era policy of never ending war, but I smart enough to accept that the majority of Americans want our involvement to come to an end. That means negotiating and accepting the reality of the situation.

We can't have that war drag on...sooner or later we'd get drug into it or putin would get desperate and do something really stupid

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Europe has F-35s. They have them on the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth. They are piloted by RAF fighter pilots.
Their military has 30 of them currently in operation.

Instead of repeating what "Trump says", are you able to tell me the HOW of your claim that the EU is "taking advantage of us"?
Can you be specific, or does your knowledge end at repeating Trumps claim?

They can't run our f35's without our help in a significant capacity. Helloooooo are you there...? Wtf is confusing you? Your reply shows you don't even understand anything. You can look up individual facts but are shit for the whole picture.

No need to explain, when I generally agree with what trump said. Go look it up yourself. You just want to argue. Europe takes advantage of us in trade, economically, etc., and militarily, but you just want to argue, be honest for once.

But all that matters is AI vs humanity.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

It's amazing that people can't figure out that there are only two parties holding any cards in these negotiations. Maybe the UK holds some cards, but the UK has too much going on internally to play a major role in these negotiations.

Any card UK has is essentially nullified by dependence on Russian energy...so unless the UK is willing to put boots on the ground and risk escalation...they have a weak hand too...all of Europe has the same issue

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Any card UK has is essentially nullified by dependence on Russian energy...so unless the UK is willing to put boots on the ground and risk escalation...they have a weak hand too...all of Europe has the same issue

From what I read the UK is pretty isolated from Russian energy.