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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Not one bit of this hysterical rant is anything remotely resembling an adult conversation on politics. It is literally the left continuing to be ignorant.

And yet it can all be proved. That throws your theory of "hysterical" out the window.

There is simply too much to quote in a post, so I'll provide a link that will allow you to read it.

You want to have an adult conversation? Then stop acting like a child who stomps their feet and demands that they are right simply because they "said so".

Post like an adult and refute all the statements regarding the laws that Trump violated, the parts of the COTUS he violated, the ethics rules he violated.

For example, explain why his and Musk's direct involvement with altering USAID is not a violation of the constitution. Specifically, the part that gives Congress the power of the purse, and not the president.
Use adult words. Use adult explanations. Use adult references to law, the constitution, government ethics rules.

Don't try the "rules are made to be broken" defense, like you have in the past. That's childish.

Breaking the Law

Just weeks in, the Trump administration has violated rules, laws, and the Constitution.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

And yet it can all be proved. That throws your theory of "hysterical" out the window.

There is simply too much to quote in a post, so I'll provide a link that will allow you to read it.

You want to have an adult conversation? The stop acting like a child who stomps their feet and demands that they are right simply because they "said so".

Post like an adult and refute all the statements regarding the laws that Trump violated, and the pets of the COTUS he violated.
For example, explain why is and musk's direct involvement with altering USA ID is not a violation of the constitution. Specifically, the part that gives Congress the power of the purse, and not the president.
Use adult words. Use adult explanations. Use adult references to law and the constitution.

Breaking the Law

Just weeks in, the Trump administration has violated rules, laws, and the Constitution.

www.brennancenter.org

Better call the cops then and have them thrown in jail!!!

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

RELIGION. "God". The big magnet in the sky that billions of people believe created our universe. A universe that they used to think we were the absolute center of. Even to the point of believing our own solar system revolved around us.

The billions believe it without any proof whatsoever, with no proof ever being available, and with no possibility of proof ever being available. For example, Christianity is based on the tenant that there can be no proof, that you simply must believe.
That's a really convenient way to keep people under control. Put them in fear of a God that they can never be sure exists or doesn't exist, and who may get angry at them for hurting his feelings.
It's like telling a child to stay away from the pond because the monster in the water will get him.

Instead of the monster in the pond, the adult get a God in the sky who looks down on them and watches everything they do. He knows when they're sleeping, he knows when they're awake, he knows if they've been bad or good…

And billions are deluded into believing it.

God is real whether mankind exists or not, same with the heavens. I'm not a Christian, I don't belong to any religion. Most people in religion don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about, either. They read words from man made books, but they do not have real spiritual experiences.

Morality is physics. It's literally just physics. Your soul is what you are and that's designed by God and your physical body is just an ancient machine designed by beings much older and more advanced than humanity. If you ever learn how to charge your soul properly, you can leave this earth, stop reincarnating here over and over again with no memory of your previous lives. That's really what people don't get is you never die, you either get a new body reincarnating on earth as long as a humanoid platform is here and not extinct or you go to heaven which opens up outer space options for incarnations or you get sucked into the earth's underworld.

Most people get reincarnated with no memory of what they are and it's almost always black in their minds when they sleep, from my experiences.

There are 100% advanced civilizations in outer space above the sky that watch earth from higher dimensions, but it's not like what you think, I bet.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

God is real whether mankind exists or not, same with the heavens. I'm not a Christian, I don't belong to any religion. Most people in relgion don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about, either. They read words from man made books, but they do not have real spiritual experiences.

Morality is physics. It's literally just physics. Your soul is what you are and that's designed by God and your physical body is just an ancient machine designed by beings much older and more advanced than humanity. If you ever learn how to charge your soul properly, you can leave this earth, stop reincarnating here over and over again with no memory of your previous lives. That's really what people don't get is you never die, you either get a new body reincarnating on earth as long as a humanoid platform is here and not extinct or you go to heaven which opens up outer space options for incarnations or you get sucked into the earth's underworld.

Most people get reincarnated with no memory of what they are and it's almost always black in their minds when they sleep, from my experiences.

There is not a single thing that can be proved in your post.
Belief doesn't create reality.

It's all just fantasy, hopes, wishes, dreams, delusions. And maybe an acid trip here and there.

Anyone who argues a god exists is taking on a fool's folly.
Believe it all you want, but your belief means nothing to someone who wants proof.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You want to have an adult conversation? Then stop acting like a child who stomps their feet and demands that they are right simply because they "said so".

Are you ******* shitting me??? This statement coming from a far left liberal???? REALLY ROB???

Democrats pay some woman to yell **** so they could attempt to convict him of it so he couldn't be President. Talk about acting like a child. Spiteful children at that.

Release a COVID virus from a lab so they could blame it on Trump... yup, did that childish shit too.

Tell illegals to come to America to spite Trumps orders... childish... yup, did that too.

Told people to do violence to anyone wearing Trump hats. Told democrats to get in their faces. Childish, yup, did that too.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

There is not a single thing that can be proved in your post.
Belief doesn't create reality.

It's all just fantasy, hopes, wishes, dreams, delusions. And maybe an acid trip here and there.

Anyone who argues a god exists is taking on a fool's folly.
Believe it all you want, but your belief means nothing to someone who wants proof.

It's sad you think that. But, as usual, most people are blind. Not sure how to fix that. Don't think it can be fixed, Rob. That's why AI is going to steam roll over most of humanity as the big tech elites try to merge with it and cause mass deaths in the process. There's no sight outside of this life for most people, and we're all about to suffer the singularity, soon enough.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So you don't care about hundreds of millions of dollars of financial fraud, or violation of election law, and you acquaint those two to Trump having an affair with an intern?

Why is it OK for Trump to commit hundreds of millions of dollars of financial fraud, but everybody is cheering about musk and his minions "finding" financial fraud in appropriations already approved by Congress?

Rules for thee, but not for me?

I don't care about the "inflated" value of his property because lenders are supposed to determine the value of the property they lend against. Otherwise, I'd tell the bank my house is worth $10m and hop a flight to Uraguay. Even when the banks were doing no income/no job loans, they still always verified the value of the property.

So your logic is I'm supposed to ignore gov't waste & fraud because Trump committed fraud. If that works for you, run with that.

I'm gonna go with Trump an expert financial fraud, as Team Blue has proven in a court of law. Therefore, he's an excellent and highly qualified to find fraud. Kinda like the FBI flips hackers to work in law enforcement.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Better call the cops then and have them thrown in jail!!!

Didn't take long for you to forget you wanted "adult conversation", huh?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Are you ******* shitting me??? This statement coming from a far left liberal???? REALLY ROB???

"Adult conversation"

Democrats pay some woman to yell **** so they could attempt to convict him of it so he couldn't be President. Talk about acting like a child. Spiteful children at that. Yes

Democrats went back in time to when Trump was a Democrat, and set the whole thing up so he'd look bad now?
Pretty wild stuff. Who owns the time machine that allows them to do that?

Lemme guess: Soros?

Release a COVID virus from a lab so they could blame it on Trump... yup, did that childish shit too.

"Adult conversation".
Tell me about the Men In Black who set this up.

Or maybe provide some actual facts and evidence to back up your conspiracy fantasy?

Tell illegals to come to America to spite Trumps orders... childish... yup, did that too.

LOL. The border crisis begins under Trump, but it's Biden's fault.
"Adult conversation"

Told people to do violence to anyone wearing Trump hats. Told democrats to get in their faces. Childish, yup, did that too.

Who did this? Are you talking about the thousands of secret Democrat "plants" who stormed the Capitol in a coup attempt?
The secret Democrats pretending to be Republicans who attempted to hurt Trump?
The secret Democrat illegal alien pretending to have been a US soldier born and raised in the US, and drove a rented truck into a crowd, killing ten?
Maybe the secred Democrat rock star, pretending to be a Republican in order to make Repub,icans look bad?

"going after"? Like waving a picket sign or flag, or putting on an unhappy face? Maybe writing an angry letter (about WHAT, nobody knows).

I'm sure he'd never consider any violence, right? His guns are simply a symbol, like a hat or a flag. Right?

You want adult conversation? It's a two-way street. Don't expect to be treated like an adult unless you can act like one at this virtual roundtable.
If someone provides you facts and figures, don't fire back with time travel fantasy, ridiculous claims of deep-state conspiracy, or simple "you're an idiot" phrases when you have nothing to refute the facts and evidence you see.

That's what adults do.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I don't care about the "inflated" value of his property because lenders are supposed to determine the value of the property they lend against. Otherwise, I'd tell the bank my house is worth $10m and hop a flight to Uraguay. Even when the banks were doing no income/no job loans, they still always verified the value of the property.

Did you also not care when we had the housing crash under Bush, heavily driven by false valuation, just like Trump did for his properties? Or is it only for Trump's illegal dealing that you don't care?

You telling the bank your 4Bedroom/2Bath house with attached garage is worth $10M, is a far cry from Trump claiming his properties are worth tens of millions more than they are. SHow me a house in your immediate neighborhood that is selling for $10M.

Hyperbole is one thing. Using that hyperbole to illegally secure loans while simultaneously committing tax fraud?
Different story.

The US goes after about 55,000 cases of mortgage fraud a year. Most of them are of the single-home variety.
Trump's hundreds of millions are far bigger. Why should he get a pass?

And don't blame the bank for not being secure enough. That's akin to blaming a 7-11 for getting robbed because they didn't do the money drop on time.

So your logic is I'm supposed to ignore gov't waste & fraud because Trump committed fraud. If that works for you, run with that.

Quite a hasty generalization there. Let's break it down:
1. I don't think Musk is doing an actual audit. He has done many illegal things with this "DOGE" team. Trump has facilitate him and broken laws in doing so.
2. The DOGE team claims to have "uncovered" BILLIONS in fraud in a few day's time, which is pure bullshit and we all know that. It takes a team of auditors months or even years to do an accounting on a big corporation. The teams can be 100 people or more.
3. I don't like the illegality and dishonesty of what Musk, DOGE, and Trump are doing, so therefore I must like fraud, waste and abuse.

So following that logic train that you chose, can I assume that since Trump commits financial fraud and you are OK with it, you think it is OK for everyone else to do it?
Since you have no problem with Trump being a ******, you think everyone else can do it?
Since you have no problem with Trump violating the COTUS over and over again, we should just get rid of it?

I'm gonna go with Trump an expert financial fraud, as Team Blue has proven in a court of law. Therefore, he's an excellent and highly qualified to find fraud. Kinda like the FBI flips hackers to work in law enforcement.

Trump can't even read a piece of paper in front of him, or a teleprompter to the side of him, and you think he is auditing billions of dollars in expenses and did so in a few week's time?
With a team that didn't even know the system is in COBOL and they got confused about how birthdates work pretty much on day one?

We're really getting into the fantasy-land defense here.

Fraud, waste, abuse, of government funds.
When is DOGE going going to shut THIS shit down?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's sad you think that. But, as usual, most people are blind. Not sure how to fix that. Don't think it can be fixed, Rob. That's why AI is going to steam roll over most of humanity as the big tech elites try to merge with it and cause mass deaths in the process. There's no sight outside of this life for most people, and we're all about to suffer the singularity, soon enough.

Sad that I think what? That religion is a scam created by man in order to control people?
That there is not now, and never has been, any proof of any of the gods that religions follow?

If that's what you mean, I stand by it until proof otherwise is made available.

Luke 19:27
“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”

Good stuff.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

"Adult conversation"

Democrats went back in time to when Trump was a Democrat, and set the whole thing up so he'd look bad now?
Pretty wild stuff. Who owns the time machine that allows them to do that?

Lemme guess: Soros?

"Adult conversation".
Tell me about the Men In Black who set this up.

Or maybe provide some actual facts and evidence to back up your conspiracy fantasy?

LOL. The border crisis begins under Trump, but it's Biden's fault.
"Adult conversation"
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Who did this? Are you talking about the thousands of secret Democrat "plants" who stormed the Capitol in a coup attempt?
The secret Democrats pretending to be Republicans who attempted to hurt Trump?
The secret Democrat illegal alien pretending to have been a US soldier born and raised in the US, and drove a rented truck into a crowd, killing ten?
Maybe the secred Democrat rock star, pretending to be a Republican in order to make Repub,icans look bad?
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"going after"? Like waving a picket sign or flag, or putting on an unhappy face? Maybe writing an angry letter (about WHAT, nobody knows).

I'm sure he'd never consider any violence, right? His guns are simply a symbol, like a hat or a flag. Right?

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You want adult conversation? It's a two-way street. Don't expect to be treated like an adult unless you can act like one at this virtual roundtable.
If someone provides you facts and figures, don't fire back with time travel fantasy, ridiculous claims of deep-state conspiracy, or simple "you're an idiot" phrases when you have nothing to refute the facts and evidence you see.

That's what adults do.

You aren't here for an adult conversation. This extra long response is proof of that. I said a few things that I knew would trigger you and look at your response lol. You are here to point fingers and insult. You are no adult.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Didn't take long for you to forget you wanted "adult conversation", huh?

Oh I was there, you never joined in.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Holy Crap Bro,
Please go back and ready my original comment on this. You are repeating what I was saying as if I never said it. I said, they were given a budget of $400M for armored electric trucks. When the documents were written up, they put Tesla trucks instead of electric trucks. That's why Musk said he didn't know about it.

Musk was not pushing the claims. The FAA was.

As for the satellites for Ukraine, Ukraine is already set up with Starlink. If they switched, it would cost billions. That's money that Ukraine doesn't have and is hoping that Europe will front the bill to switch to Eutelsat, which might not happen. The Eutelsat will cost a lot more than Starlink.

False. A budget means that it was approved. The Biden administration never approved $400 million of spending on cybertrucks. That's patently false.

The Eutelsat won't cost more if the EU fronts the bill for it.....which is what I'd expect them to do. Ukraine isn't paying for it regardless.

Nobody ever said They want Ukraine to surrender. I have no idea where you got that idea from. I watched the conference, at it was only about peace treaties and cease fire talks. The argument is due to Zelensky complaining about us not giving him enough money. And who cares if the Russian press was there. Are they not allowed to see what is happening? Most of their press is against the war. Show me where Trump is trying to sell him out. It sounds like you're trying to put too much into it.

You notice how the war started under Obama, stopped when Trump was voted into office, then started back up when Trump left office? That's because the US is the only threat to Russia and we all know how weak Obama and Biden are when it comes to negotiating with other countries.

Fasle. The argument started because JV Pants busted in to complain that Zelensky wasn't kissing Trump's feet over a deal that provided no security guarantees to Ukraine. It was a surrender deal that Trump worked out unilaterally with Putin.....and no input from Ukraine or the EU. There was little gain to be had. Zelensky knew it and so did Trump. It was a deal that required Ukraine to capitulate.

I noticed something else. Trump told everyone that he would quickly bring an end to the war.....and so far that hasn't happened. And Russia isn't budging on their demands now that Ukraine has rejected the surrender option offered by Trump. So what's happening? I thought that Trump was a big, strong, tough guy? Looks more like his attempt to further Russian goals fell flat.

Again, you are not reading what I am saying. You are only trying to be quick to say what you want. That's how Rob argues.

I already agreed that they are cutting SSA and Medicaid programs. I also told you what programs are being cut. Do you believe our SSA and Medicaid tax dollars should go to those who are not citizens and who don't pay taxes? It's not a hard question to answer.

No. The real problem here is that you are buying the propaganda without thinking. Trump and Musk are selling the narrative that all they want to do is cut fraud and that nobody else will have their SS/Medicaid touched. That's total BS. They need to cut close to a trillion dollars.....and there's nowhere near that much fraud in the system. Hell....even the fraud cuts of billions that DOGE is claiming are proving to be inflated nonsense.

I don't buy lies and I sure as heck don't trust the government with spending my tax dollars. Believing is lies is what someone does when they believe the government is being honest with their tax dollars and putting them where they belong. I gave you a couple examples on where the money was being wasted. Why not Google them and see if they are fake claims. I know I did, and nothing came up to disprove them.

Again, the Cyber Truck deal was never a deal. I already proved that to you, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up, unless you're just trying to hold on to your liberal lies.

You sure are. Trump is a sociopath who can't go more than a day without pushing a blatantly provable lie. lol.....he's actually been saying the past couple of days that eggs prices have come down under his watch....which is such a laughably false statement....I really don't know whether he believes it (because the dementia is acting up)....or if he's simply trying to see how blatant his lies can get.

You're choosing to believe that Trump and Musk are acting in your best interest despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

I ask you to please take an economics course. You will see that most of our tax dollars do not come from corporations. They come from small businesses and the civilians. Let me give you a quick lesson on economics and big corporations affect our tax revenue. A large manufacture will come in. They will hire hundreds to thousands of employees to make a product. To make those products, they need suppliers. Well those suppliers now need more employees and materials for the products. So, the suppliers need suppliers, and the list goes on. At the end, that large corporation is only at the top of a huge pyramid of business with thousands of overall getting jobs because of them.

I've taken plenty of economics courses during my undergraduate. It's quite clear that you have no grasp of basic economics as evidenced by you original claim that corporations would go under if we didn't give them tax cuts.....which is such an idiotic claim......that I don't even know how you managed to type it without hurting yourself in the process. Corporations were profitable when their tax rates were closer to 40% in the 80s. There's absolutely zero reason that we need to continue to cut that from the low 20s to 15%. None. And why exactly does it matter where the majority of tax revenue comes from? 10% of tax revenues from corporations is still a massive amount of money.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]