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[stocker08 10+ year member]

Maybe you've missed out on how and why Trump is using tariffs. It's been an effective way to get cooperation from Mexico and Venezuela. It's the only way to balance our trade relationship with China and bring those jobs back that Perot predicted would vanish when he ran against Clinton & Bush. You can rail all you want against tariffs, but they are a necessary evil, GATT, NAFTA & free markets have failed us. It's ironic that after decades of the left railing free markets, we see that politically right has finally realized the obvious, so the left changes their position because TDS.

No, I've heard the excuses (lies) about the reasons for these tariffs. And I'm not trying to say that all tariffs are bad. Targeted tariffs can be very effective....particularly when manufacturers (like some in China) were selling goods at a loss specifically in order to undercut American manufacturers. But BLANKET tariffs on EVERYTHING coming from another country is downright moronic. Lots of items produced overseas WILL NEVER be manufactured in the United States. Low cost consumer goods, clothing, intermediate parts, lots of household items, etc......people don't want to pay a premium for these things......and we can't manufacture them cheaply enough due to labor costs. It makes no sense to put a tariff on a lot of these things.

Funny that you bring up free markets without realizing that the tariff plan specifically attacks consumers. Republicans rage about free markets in terms of government oversight into companies. Things like labor laws that protect American workers, health and safety standards that ensure products are safe, and environmental regulations that penalize pollution. Republicans hate that companies can't infringe on the rights of consumers and employees....and throw out generalizations about how the free market will fix everything if left alone. If tariffs damaged domestic companies rather than domestic consumers...the republicans wouldn't be on board with the tariff idea. But it's just another blow to average Americans, so they don't care. Free markets only matter when the outcomes benefit the corporations.

Nobody (that I know of) has changed their position on this. Donald Dope simply doesn't care. He lied about bringing costs down because he knew that he had his fanatical zealots who'd jump to defend every one of his dipshit moves....even if they end up hurting because of those decisions. Trump is looking for any path to bring in revenue to offset the cuts he wants to give to the wealthy and the corporations. That's coming in the form of benefit and safety net cuts to the most needy and tariff costs paid by the consumer class. It has and always will be....Donald Dump first......Americans last.

Touche' Nevertheless, I railed against the Jan 6th rioters and Trump's role in it. Additionally, I don't support blanket pardons of the rioters. Some should only get commuted sentences and there are some that probably should serve out their sentences. OTOH, at least the Jan 6th rioters served time, which is much more than happened to the BLM rioters.

Fair. Any BLM rioters who caused damages and looted deserved penalties and jail time as well.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You have literally posted this before. It was ignored and now you are trying to slip it back in. OK ROB... I will humor you...

So tariffs are higher cost for American consumers right? You guys on the left don't seem to like that, correct?

If you don't like higher prices for Americans why were you 100% ok with Biden's sky high inflation for 4 years????

A bit hypocritical I think.

"Biden's sky higfh inflation".
Tell me: Exactly WHAT caused prices to spike after Biden took office. Don't say "Biden's indirect and direct actions" or somesuch nonsense. Give me specifics of why/why/how 2Biden made prices go up after Trump's recession.

After you give the details of how Biden "raised prices", compare that with tacking an additional 25% DIRECTLY ONTO THE COST OF GOODS WHEN THEY LAND ON OUR SHORES.
An additional 25% that wholesalers do not and cannot absorb without killing their profit margins.
That means Trump's tariff gets added right to the retail price of the product.

Which you are not only Ok with, but HAPPY about. Yet, you ***** that Biden "raised prices".
Explain.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Who cares where you are. The price you gave is higher than the United States National average as well. So I stand by my statement.

Ahhhh, so now the averages that you have railed against all along are suddenly relevant?
So you flip-flop when it helps your narrative.
Got it.

"average is only useful for lazy people simplifying numbers or for nefarious means" -Thxone

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Touche' Nevertheless, I railed against the Jan 6th rioters and Trump's role in it. Additionally, I don't support blanket pardons of the rioters. Some should only get commuted sentences and there are some that probably should serve out their sentences. OTOH, at least the Jan 6th rioters served time, which is much more than happened to the BLM rioters.

Hmmm. How many of the 14,000 rioters that got arrested were trying to overthrow our government be preventing the election of a new president? How many were committing seditious conspiracy?

How many of the rioters broke laws that were punishable with the same punishments that one would get for seditious conspiracy?
Does the destruction of private property carry the same penalties?
Or, did the rioters get the penalties that the law prescribes?

Do you think no one got arrested or punished simply because it didn't make the news like the people who attacked our Capitol building?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Remember when Target became ***** friendly, and the right-wingers were sure it was going to cause them to go out of business, but the stock CLIMBED?

Here's what happened when they decided to no longer support DEI initiatives.
Interesting.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

"Biden's sky higfh inflation".
Tell me: Exactly WHAT caused prices to spike after Biden took office. Don't say "Biden's indirect and direct actions" or somesuch nonsense. Give me specifics of why/why/how 2Biden made prices go up after Trump's recession.

There you go... DICTATING how I am supposed to answer again. Anything I tell you will be nonsense in your mind so eat shit. He became President and EVERYTHING COST MORE. EVERYTHING. Not pennies more over time, everything cost MORE.

After you give the details of how Biden "raised prices", compare that with tacking an additional 25% DIRECTLY ONTO THE COST OF GOODS WHEN THEY LAND ON OUR SHORES.
An additional 25% that wholesalers do not and cannot absorb without killing their profit margins.
That means Trump's tariff gets added right to the retail price of the product.

Not everything that hits our shores is being tariffed.

Which you are not only Ok with, but HAPPY about. Yet, you ***** that Biden "raised prices".
Explain.

I haven't said I am ok or happy about anything. I pointed out that YOU, fucktard, loved the Bidenflation but seem to have a problem with Trump imposing tariffs on countries that take advantage of the U.S.. It tells me you are all for the U.S. and its citizens being made to pay more for everything. Which makes NOT ONE BIT OF SENSE.

Who told you to speak?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'm not a big proponent of tax cuts, but I would get some serious OT when the company is "on project." A little ~30% bump on those wages would certainly help with the PITA that has been (grocery) inflation that past ~2 years.

Don't get me wrong I'm not opposed to paying in...I just feel if the government isn't gonna go above and beyond to make sure that the money pulled from my check isn't gonna be wasted then they don't need it...that's at every level (local, state, and fed)

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

Let’s go!
3 billion yr they need that per week.

Keir Starmer Pledges British 'Boots On The Ground' To Secure Peace In Ukraine

The prime minister said the UK would "step up and lead" to stop Russia attacking again.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Trump is a wannabe dictator

What are your thoughts on biden?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Nah.....just busted into the capitol building and assaulted police officers. How did that turn out? Pardoned? Yeah....that tracks.

At least they weren't burning down cities during the "summer of love"

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

What bout winter of death?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Let’s go!
3 billion yr they need that per week.

Keir Starmer Pledges British 'Boots On The Ground' To Secure Peace In Ukraine

The prime minister said the UK would "step up and lead" to stop Russia attacking again.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Maybe...just maybe...if Europe wasn't giving Russia money for energy...Russia would have less money to make war

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Nah.....just busted into the capitol building and assaulted police officers. How did that turn out? Pardoned? Yeah....that tracks.

Peacefully approached the Capitol Building after Trump said to PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY make your VOICES heard.

I know you lower level far left libbys don't know how to react to those capitalized words but Pelosi and the other criminal lefties know what they mean. They knew they had to act to get the peaceful protestors to enter the building. Deny the extra security and tell the FBI informants to instigate and guide the peaceful crowd.

It wasn't Trump... it was Pelosi and other far left Dems.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

The Media just ignore insurrection at the Iowa capital 3 days ago.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

At least they weren't burning down cities during the "summer of love"

Peacefully approached the Capitol Building after Trump said to PEACEFULLY and PATRIOTICALLY make your VOICES heard.

I know you lower level far left libbys don't know how to react to those capitalized words but Pelosi and the other criminal lefties know what they mean. They knew they had to act to get the peaceful protestors to enter the building. Deny the extra security and tell the FBI informants to instigate and guide the peaceful crowd.

It wasn't Trump... it was Pelosi and other far left Dems.

What was peaceful about smashing windows and assaulting police officers? In a riot that Trump not only organized.....but then proceeded to watch on television for hours on end while people around him begged for him to make a statement?

Righties downplaying it is asinine....and simply goes to show how brainwashed many have become. Rioting at the capital and attacking police officers? GOOD! So much for law and order.