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<blockquote data-quote="stocker08" data-source="post: 8892328" data-attributes="member: 577940">No, I&#039;ve heard the excuses (lies) about the reasons for these tariffs.&nbsp; And I&#039;m not trying to say that all tariffs are bad.&nbsp; Targeted tariffs can be very effective....particularly when manufacturers (like some in China) were selling goods at a loss specifically in order to undercut American manufacturers.&nbsp; But BLANKET tariffs on EVERYTHING coming from another country is downright moronic.&nbsp; Lots of items produced overseas WILL NEVER be manufactured in the United States.&nbsp; Low cost consumer goods, clothing, intermediate parts, lots of household items, etc......people don&#039;t want to pay a premium for these things......and we can&#039;t manufacture them cheaply enough due to labor costs.&nbsp; It makes no sense to put a tariff on a lot of these things.Funny that you bring up free markets without realizing that the tariff plan specifically attacks consumers.&nbsp; Republicans rage about free markets in terms of government oversight into companies.&nbsp; Things like labor laws that protect American workers, health and safety standards that ensure products are safe, and environmental regulations that penalize pollution.&nbsp; Republicans hate that companies can&#039;t infringe on the rights of consumers and employees....and throw out generalizations about how the free market will fix everything if left alone.&nbsp; If tariffs damaged domestic companies rather than domestic consumers...the republicans wouldn&#039;t be on board with the tariff idea.&nbsp; But it&#039;s just another blow to average Americans, so they don&#039;t care.&nbsp; Free markets only matter when the outcomes benefit the corporations.Nobody (that I know of) has changed their position on this.&nbsp; Donald Dope simply doesn&#039;t care.&nbsp; He lied about bringing costs down because he knew that he had his fanatical zealots who&#039;d jump to defend every one of his dipshit moves....even if they end up hurting because of those decisions.&nbsp; Trump is looking for any path to bring in revenue to offset the cuts he wants to give to the wealthy and the corporations.&nbsp; That&#039;s coming in the form of benefit and safety net cuts to the most needy and tariff costs paid by the consumer class.&nbsp; It has and always will be....Donald Dump first......Americans last.Fair.&nbsp; Any BLM rioters who caused damages and looted deserved penalties and jail time as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="stocker08, post: 8892328, member: 577940"] No, I've heard the excuses (lies) about the reasons for these tariffs. And I'm not trying to say that all tariffs are bad. [I]Targeted[/I] tariffs can be very effective....particularly when manufacturers (like some in China) were selling goods at a loss specifically in order to undercut American manufacturers. But BLANKET tariffs on EVERYTHING coming from another country is downright moronic. Lots of items produced overseas WILL NEVER be manufactured in the United States. Low cost consumer goods, clothing, intermediate parts, lots of household items, etc......people don't want to pay a premium for these things......and we can't manufacture them cheaply enough due to labor costs. It makes no sense to put a tariff on a lot of these things. Funny that you bring up free markets without realizing that the tariff plan specifically attacks consumers. Republicans rage about free markets in terms of government oversight into companies. Things like labor laws that protect American workers, health and safety standards that ensure products are safe, and environmental regulations that penalize pollution. Republicans hate that companies can't infringe on the rights of consumers and employees....and throw out generalizations about how the free market will fix everything if left alone. If tariffs damaged domestic companies rather than domestic consumers...the republicans wouldn't be on board with the tariff idea. But it's just another blow to average Americans, so they don't care. Free markets only matter when the outcomes benefit the corporations. Nobody (that I know of) has changed their position on this. Donald Dope simply doesn't care. He lied about bringing costs down because he knew that he had his fanatical zealots who'd jump to defend every one of his dipshit moves....even if they end up hurting because of those decisions. Trump is looking for any path to bring in revenue to offset the cuts he wants to give to the wealthy and the corporations. That's coming in the form of benefit and safety net cuts to the most needy and tariff costs paid by the consumer class. It has and always will be....Donald Dump first......Americans last. Fair. Any BLM rioters who caused damages and looted deserved penalties and jail time as well. [/QUOTE]

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