Happy Jan 6th

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

McCarthy tried to put people like Banks and Jordan on the committee - hardly an attempt at being honest or bipartisan.

It would've at least balanced out the committee...nobody selected was in anyway unbiased or actually looking for truth over partisanship...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Not intended to start strife. I specifically remember you giving Trump a pass on warp speed, claiming "they fooled him." You have claimed Trump was standing in the way of the "One World Order." I'm pretty sure it was you that claimed the Coronavirus was released to undermine Trump and get him out of office or maybe you just posted and article/tweet making that claim. Perhaps you've changed your position on Trump/Warp Speed, but I don't recall seeing it. And just to be clear, I'm not trying to portray you as a "Trumpist." IMHO, you see Trump more like the knight on a chess board, rather than a rook, king or queen.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a di(k; but you are a conspiracy theorist. Just because you're convinced the conspiracy is real doesn't mean you're not a conspiracy theorist. Your "politics" exist outside of the US, the GOP, the DNC. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You have indeed claimed there is a worldwide conspiracy against humanity, that Covid and the Vax are part of wider conspiracy to depopulate the planet, etc.

No, I didn't give him a pass, and yea, I do look at the world as the whole world. Everything is unified. I do think covid and the vax and many other things are to control and depopulate humanity. That is what I think.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I never said Trump is guilty of anything. And clearly you are unaware of what the Steele Dossier. It's common for intel dossiers to contain a bunch of "less probable intel" along with the good and probable intel. Although it's a popular narrative, the Steele Dossier was not "entirely false." The Steele Dossier contained good intel, so-so intel and some crap intel.

As for why Trump is being "attacked" every time he exits his spray tan booth, I think there are many reasons. A bunch of Dems have lost their minds over Trump and will go to any length to discredit him. Trump acted like a complete arse while he was POTUS and the left feels his bad behaviour justifies theirs. Jan 6th is scary to many people, so they don't want Trump in office again due to his role in Jan 6th and because it's likely Trump will resist leaving office should he lose another election. The fact that Putin is such a Trump fan is disturbing. I think the Colorado ballot case may be a false flag case since it's an obvious loser of a case and was brought by 4 Republicans and 2 unaffiliated voters. WhyTF, Colorado's Supreme Court ruled against Trump is beyond me. I agree attacking Trump in court is insanity since I think it benefits Trump far more than harms him and any case he wins is like double bonus points for Trump. Maybe the Dems are desperately hoping one this cases torpedo's Trump and then they can walk away from Sleepy Joe. I don't know who is running the show at the WH, but it isn't Biden. If Kamahla is running some sort of shadow Presidency, I have admit I'm kinda impressed.

Given that Trump's time in office was cratered by a pandemic, I don't see how there is even a basis for fair comparison to any of his contemporaries.

I am very familiar with the dossier. I have not read the entire thing, but I have read quite a bit of it. What Trump was being accused of, in the dossier, was false.

I ask again, what did Trump do to encourage the riot? People are scared of Trump due to the J6 riot because the media hyped it up. As you see in new footage, rioters were escorted around the building by the police. The police even let them into rooms. Why was that not put on the news? Why was it not shown how some rioters were going around and cleaning up?

As for the Colorado judges, they were all appointed by the democrats. They dropped it because it wasn't going to hold water. Trump has not be convicted of the crime, but they went ahead and accused him of being guilty without a trial. That is against the constitution.

Why is it so hard to say someone if innocent until proven guilty. Even if you hate the guy, it is the way of Constitution that y'll are bashing Trump for talk poorly about.

 

[HardofWhoring]

Honestly, I'm kinda clad that Trump didn't when the last election. Look what has come of it. People are starting to see just how much propaganda there is out there. They are starting to see that the media is paid off.



Calm down Hardofwhoring. You sound like your taking this way too personal. We are just some guys on a fishing trip having a political discussion.

As for working for the government, I do. I am an actual employee and not a contractor.

There are things we see that most don't, or refuse, to see. Let me ask you a question. What did Trump do to start an Insurrection or try do to destroy democracy?

By the way, if you want to call the capital protest an "insurrection," then you need to call the 2020 summer riots an insurrection. That was also a violent uprising against the government.

nope, and no.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I am very familiar with the dossier. I have not read the entire thing, but I have read quite a bit of it. What Trump was being accused of, in the dossier, was false.

I ask again, what did Trump do to encourage the riot? People are scared of Trump due to the J6 riot because the media hyped it up. As you see in new footage, rioters were escorted around the building by the police. The police even let them into rooms. Why was that not put on the news? Why was it not shown how some rioters were going around and cleaning up?

As for the Colorado judges, they were all appointed by the democrats. They dropped it because it wasn't going to hold water. Trump has not be convicted of the crime, but they went ahead and accused him of being guilty without a trial. That is against the constitution.

Why is it so hard to say someone if innocent until proven guilty. Even if you hate the guy, it is the way of Constitution that y'll are bashing Trump for talk poorly about.

How can you say what Trump was being accused of in the Steele Dossier was false when Manafort is on record saying he gave Russia internal polling data? Unless you have a way of knowing whether or not Trump knew what was going on, you're just guessing.

Encourage the riot? Trump never said, "Go riot at the Capitol" if that's what you mean. Do you think that 8 months of gaslighting the right with claims that election would be stolen might have contributed to what happened on Jan 6th? The video of the police letting people in was widely circulated on Youtube and you can hear them telling those folks that they were still violating the law.

I'm not sure what you know about the Colorado case, but it they didn't drop it. The Colorado Supreme Court found Trump was guilty of insurrection and therefore didn't qualify to be on the ballot. From what I read they found Trump guilty of insurrection - I've never seen anything that comes close to proof of insurrection beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think what they did is against the Constitution, but the USSC will get the final say on that matter. I guess that could be interesting; will the USSC say Trump isn't guilty of insurrection or will they say the Colorado SC misinterpreted the 14th?

Trump was innocent until proven guilty. Now that Colorado SC has found him guilty, we'll see if that holds up in the USSC.

 

[HardofWhoring]

Well I think both sides of the govt are trash...and I wouldn't shed a single tear if govt overall shrunk...am I part of the "Trumper flock"?

I agree.
The problem is that trumpers won't acknowledge how shitty trump is, or how pathetically cowardly the GOP has become ******* on his tiiits. They are unwilling to acknowledge how bad the republican party has become. It's turned into nothing but lies and deflecting. They want to say the other side is the problem, and when it's their side that is in the spotlight, then it becomes all government. They are unwilling to take responsibility and be honest about the party they claim, and therefor both sides can't have an equal and honest discussion.

ex: I'm really tired of voting for democrats, and I really don't want to vote for biden, but if those are the two candidates then one of them will be president. If republicans/trumpers keep kissing his ***, lying for him, covering for him, etc..... then there won't be a reason for the rest of the ones that are laying low to really push for someone better. Biden is an old out of touch fool, and the only person he will get more votes than is trump. I'm pissed about how it all has been unfolding, because trumpers are why biden is going to run, and why he is going to win.

 

[HardofWhoring]

If people really believe in democracy and the justice system, they need to start remembering that people are INNOCENT until proven guilty. How many times have people made the wrong accusations? Even the Steele dossier. It was proven that the democrats set it up, but... The Jan. 6 issue was proven to also be a setup, but they still try to push it and not show the facts.

- Fact, Republicans entered the capital.
- One person was killed and that was by a law enforcement agent and the person was unarmed.
- Fact, although it was considered as the worse riot in history, the House resumed their meeting, in the same building, that same evening.

- Fact, in 2020 Democrats riot in the streets of all over the US.
- Many people died.
- Fact, 3.5 years later, many buildings are still in ruins.

Honestly, which riot is worse?

Lies and deflecting.

 

[HardofWhoring]

I am very familiar with the dossier. I have not read the entire thing, but I have read quite a bit of it. What Trump was being accused of, in the dossier, was false.

I ask again, what did Trump do to encourage the riot? People are scared of Trump due to the J6 riot because the media hyped it up. As you see in new footage, rioters were escorted around the building by the police. The police even let them into rooms. Why was that not put on the news? Why was it not shown how some rioters were going around and cleaning up?

As for the Colorado judges, they were all appointed by the democrats. They dropped it because it wasn't going to hold water. Trump has not be convicted of the crime, but they went ahead and accused him of being guilty without a trial. That is against the constitution.

Why is it so hard to say someone if innocent until proven guilty. Even if you hate the guy, it is the way of Constitution that y'll are bashing Trump for talk poorly about.

lies and deflecting

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I agree.
The problem is that trumpers won't acknowledge how shitty trump is, or how pathetically cowardly the GOP has become ******* on his tiiits. They are unwilling to acknowledge how bad the republican party has become. It's turned into nothing but lies and deflecting. They want to say the other side is the problem, and when it's their side that is in the spotlight, then it becomes all government. They are unwilling to take responsibility and be honest about the party they claim, and therefor both sides can't have an equal and honest discussion.

ex: I'm really tired of voting for democrats, and I really don't want to vote for biden, but if those are the two candidates then one of them will be president. If republicans/trumpers keep kissing his ***, lying for him, covering for him, etc..... then there won't be a reason for the rest of the ones that are laying low to really push for someone better. Biden is an old out of touch fool, and the only person he will get more votes than is trump. I'm pissed about how it all has been unfolding, because trumpers are why biden is going to run, and why he is going to win.

You could reverse Trump and Biden in that rant and it pretty much holds true. I saw a poll recently that said 75% of either party is actually voting against the other party rather than voting for their candidate.

Here's one way to look at. Let's say Hillary wins in 2016. What changes? Immigration policy would probably be more lax, there would be less wall. We'd still probably be out of Afghanistan and that was bound to be a debacle regardless of who was in office. The Pandemic would have been handled largely the same. Our rhetoric toward China would have been less abrasive. The big difference is this was a once in a lifetime opportunity to stack the courts and obviously Clinton would have stacked the courts with more liberals. So from my perspective I don't see a huge difference (leaving Jan 6th out of the discussion for now).

And what if Trump had been re-elected? It's not like Biden has made massive changes to immigration policy. We're drilling as much oil as ever. Global inflation and supply chain issues would have existed regardless of who was in office. I have no reason to believe the withdrawal from Afghanistan would have been any less of a cluster phuck under Trump. I highly doubt Trump's presence in the WH would have prevented either the Ukraine war or yet another Israeli conflict. So again I'm left to conclude not a big difference and that's with Biden literally sleep walking his way thru his first term.

IMHO, both these guys are so awful that neither should even be a remote consideration for POTUS, but somehow this is the best we can do. TBH, I don't see why the GOP can't walk away from Trump. Throw Nikki Haley up there and I might be willing for vote for her. And it's ridiculous we're willing to leave a man suffering from dementia in the WH for the second time.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Is the US in better shape today than it was 4 years ago? If so, why?

Yes. Because the pandemic is over.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It would've at least balanced out the committee...nobody selected was in anyway unbiased or actually looking for truth over partisanship...

I don't think it would have balanced the committee. It would have turned the committee into a different type of shytshow.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No, I didn't give him a pass, and yea, I do look at the world as the whole world. Everything is unified. I do think covid and the vax and many other things are to control and depopulate humanity. That is what I think.

I seem to remember you giving him a pass, but let's forget about that. So you do think there was a secret plan to use covid and the vax to control and depopulate humanity. That's the definition of a conspiracy theory. I'm not saying it to be a di(k, you are the board's conspiracy theorist. Given that I believe ~35% of the population lands somewhere on the conspiracy theory spectrum, that would make you rather normal. I'm more into concrete facts, but one of my best friends is a conspiracy theorist, my Dad listens to Alex Jones and reads David Icke. Given that Western Culture is facing population collapse, maybe there is a giant conspiracy to eliminate humans. I believe it's a conspiracy of coincidences rather than than workings of some secret devil worshipping cabal.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Ray Epps Dodges Prison Sentence - Gets Probation, Community Service For Telling J6ers To Go "Into The Capitol" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I seem to remember you giving him a pass, but let's forget about that. So you do think there was a secret plan to use covid and the vax to control and depopulate humanity. That's the definition of a conspiracy theory. I'm not saying it to be a di(k, you are the board's conspiracy theorist. Given that I believe ~35% of the population lands somewhere on the conspiracy theory spectrum, that would make you rather normal. I'm more into concrete facts, but one of my best friends is a conspiracy theorist, my Dad listens to Alex Jones and reads David Icke. Given that Western Culture is facing population collapse, maybe there is a giant conspiracy to eliminate humans. I believe it's a conspiracy of coincidences rather than than workings of some secret devil worshipping cabal.

Maybe a "conspiracy theorist" narrative isn't the best way to describe some of these ideas or concepts that you see as such.

I know physics proves there's truly no full separation between any event that happens, due to how everything in existence shares space, so true coincidences might not exist. You know, you can see stars at night. You know how far away those stars are? You know that light you're seeing means that light waveform is reaching the surface of the earth to hit your face eyeholes? Do you realize how many stars there are and how much light and energy that is, from such a large area completely surrounding us, defined more accurately by light years? There's a lot of energy tied to a lot of places in deep space that earth receives through the darkness of space. Idk, physics, to me, is more proof than anything of evidence of higher consciousness designing parts of the universe, like programming code. The same physics patterns within all of nature can't be a coincidence.


Why did Ray Epps get off so easy?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Maybe a "conspiracy theorist" narrative isn't the best way to describe some of these ideas or concepts that you see as such.

I know physics proves there's truly no full separation between any event that happens, due to how everything in existence shares space, so true coincidences might not exist. You know, you can see stars at night. You know how far away those stars are? You know that light you're seeing means that light waveform is reaching the surface of the earth to hit your face eyeholes? Do you realize how many stars there are and how much light and energy that is, from such a large area completely surrounding us, defined more accurately by light years? There's a lot of energy tied to a lot of places in deep space that earth receives through the darkness of space. Idk, physics, to me, is more proof than anything of evidence of higher consciousness designing parts of the universe, like programming code. The same physics patterns within all of nature can't be a coincidence.


Why did Ray Epps get off so easy?

Because Epps actually tried to calm the crowd and didn't enter the Capitol. Has anybody that didn't enter the Capitol get charged.