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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yet again, Trump hinting he's not a big fan of our constitutional style of gov't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/01/06/donald-trump-loyalty-pledge/

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[HardofWhoring]

trump didn't say he was ONLY going to be a dictator on the first day (which should be enough for everyone); He said he would be one on the first day, leaving all the other days in question.

 

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[Old_Slapper]

Yet again, Trump hinting he's not a big fan of our constitutional style of gov't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/01/06/donald-trump-loyalty-pledge/

More than once, Obama stated the Constitution is flawed and outdated. In 2013, his administration proposed what they call "The New Constitution." It consisted of more than 2300 pages. Did you post this info when it happened?

So, are stating that life is much better now than it was 3 years ago? If so, how was life so bad back then?

 

[Old_Slapper]

trump didn't say he was ONLY going to be a dictator on the first day (which should be enough for everyone); He said he would be one on the first day, leaving all the other days in question.

After personally witnessing all the corrupt garbage that is taking place, and all the false accusations that were made, what would you do if you were in his shoes? Remember, if your going to show me bad things he has done, make sure it's not worse than the current or previous guy has done.

I'm not upset, I'm just curious. I have yet to find someone who can prove the orange man was worse. Remember, I work for the g-man, so I get to see all the dirt.

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Try to stay on topic. Your statements about Obama, since you brought it up, are false equivalences. To correct your statement's, Obama ( a constitutional scholar) offered that he favored changing certain aspects of the Citizens United decisions through the correct processes, a constitutional amendment that requires two thirds the congress and then the states to ratify it, not by the whim of a kings' edict without any conesus from branches of the Government or the will if the people. Agree with the sentiment or not, , HUGE difference.

For the record, here is what was said before you got you info o from faux news.

"Arguing that "unlimited money" in politics is a key cause of polarization, Obama said, "I would love to see some constitutional process that would allow us to actually regulate campaign spending the way we used to, and maybe even improve it."

These comments — made in the midst of a long, big-picture response to a question on political polarization, during which several issues were discussed — go further than many of the president's past public statements. During a Q&A with Reddit in 2012, the president wrote that "over the long term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional process to overturn Citizens United."

If you truly cannot see why the orange man is a threat to the democratic process, you only have to listen the constant ideological BS that spews from his sprayed on tan orifice on a daily basis. Let's see, think Hitler, think Mussolini, yeah those guys that he mimics on a regular basis. He's the biggest egomaniacal narcissist dictatorial lying sack of hypocritical BS ever to hold the office.

And then you stated...

"After personally witnessing all the corrupt garbage that is taking place, and all the false accusations that were made, what would you do if you were in his shoes?"

First of all, most or virtually all of the accusations have been put to the test by grand juries of his peers and only then was he indicted, you cannot ignore this or make it some sort of hyperbole, 60-1 losses in court against the Con on the very foundation of the BS he has spewed since long before Jan 6th and to date. Why is it that his supports ignore the process that is actually a part of due process - not a made up lack thereof?

The Colorado court the removed him from the ballot was acting on a case that the GOP brought, judges agreed to and that the appellate court agreed with. Under the 14th, you only have to have appeared to have been involved, not have been convicted.

When and where were you personally privy to or witness someone that proved the accusations were not true? pretty sure that the 91 indictments awaiting trial will establish this little bit of information apparently lost most of those that follow the ConMan without regard to what is surely self-evident to those that don't internalize this a s some sort of personal struggle instead of what it is, manipulation of his base for the purpose of attaining power at all cost democracy and our form of government be damned. Wint until you make such false pronunciations.

"Remember, if your going to show me bad things he has done, make sure it's not worse than the current or previous guy has done."

IT"S NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE - NONE OF THE PREVIOUS “GUYS” DID ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE ORANGE MAN HAS DONE OR WILL DO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY!

What about, what about, redirection, deflection, all day long does not change the fact the reasonable people can agree to disagree, vote and live with the legitimate outcomes - unlike tRump or is supporters.

Those that display willful ignorance in spite of the overwhelming DOCUMENTED evidence to the contrary and the ability to be manipulated to that end, that is the real danger.

It’s the way, historically; fascist and dictators have overturned previous representative democracies and constitutional republics into fascist dictatorships. (I minored in econ and world history). Go ahead and ignore all the economic data coming out lately, regarding how much better things are as opposed to 3 years ago on what Trump didn't create. I know, but what about, what about - oh please...

It really doesn't matter who or why, it is better so bring up different more significant argument.

It’s enough that good men do nothing and should that be - bad men will succeed. You're on the wrong side of history, one can only hope.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

More than once, Obama stated the Constitution is flawed and outdated. In 2013, his administration proposed what they call "The New Constitution." It consisted of more than 2300 pages. Did you post this info when it happened?

So, are stating that life is much better now than it was 3 years ago? If so, how was life so bad back then?

I think you and I may use different news sources. Do you have any news sources to confirm this "New Constitution" proposal?

Obama Administration Proposes 2,300-Page 'New Constitution'

Has the Obama administration proposed a 2,300-page 'New Constitution'?

www.snopes.com

I'm not going to compare 3 years ago to today. There was a pandemic 3 years ago so the comparison is without basis and utterly unfair to Trump.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

After personally witnessing all the corrupt garbage that is taking place, and all the false accusations that were made, what would you do if you were in his shoes? Remember, if your going to show me bad things he has done, make sure it's not worse than the current or previous guy has done.

I'm not upset, I'm just curious. I have yet to find someone who can prove the orange man was worse. Remember, I work for the g-man, so I get to see all the dirt.

I worked in DHS, I'm not sure that qualifies anybody to say the Orange Guy is any better/worse than Sleepy Joe. For the record, I pretty much like Trump policies. I don't care for his grating attitude, the "stolen election" and that his campaign manager was funneling internal pooling data to a known Russian agent (which I'm sure Trump was blissfully unaware).

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yeah Trump!!!

Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

Former President Trump’s legal team suggested Tuesday that even a president directing SEAL Team Six to kill a political opponent would be an action barred from prosecution given a former executive&…

thehill.com

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Yeah Trump!!!

Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

Former President Trump’s legal team suggested Tuesday that even a president directing SEAL Team Six to kill a political opponent would be an action barred from prosecution given a former executive&…

thehill.com

I'd laugh if it wasn't true!

 

[Old_Slapper]

Yeah Trump!!!

Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

Former President Trump’s legal team suggested Tuesday that even a president directing SEAL Team Six to kill a political opponent would be an action barred from prosecution given a former executive&…

thehill.com

Come on guy! You took a Leftwing headline and stated it as being ammo against Trump. If you listen to the entire conversation, you will see that they were not talking directly about Trump. They were talking about any president. And the attorney was stating what the law is. And the law states a president can do that and get away with it only if the senate allows them to. He was stating the law. In other words, Biden could do the same thing.

Guys, please stop trying to bash someone before you sit back and look at the big picture.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I worked in DHS, I'm not sure that qualifies anybody to say the Orange Guy is any better/worse than Sleepy Joe. For the record, I pretty much like Trump policies. I don't care for his grating attitude, the "stolen election" and that his campaign manager was funneling internal pooling data to a known Russian agent (which I'm sure Trump was blissfully unaware).

The Russian thing came out as false. It actually turned out that the democrats new it was false, but tried to push it any ways. Read the Steele Dossier report.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I think you and I may use different news sources. Do you have any news sources to confirm this "New Constitution" proposal?

Obama Administration Proposes 2,300-Page 'New Constitution'

Has the Obama administration proposed a 2,300-page 'New Constitution'?

www.snopes.com

I'm not going to compare 3 years ago to today. There was a pandemic 3 years ago so the comparison is without basis and utterly unfair to Trump.

even before the pandemic. Life was much easier.

Also, during the pandemic, Trump closed the air travel. He got pushback for acting too hastily. 3 months later, the country was shut down by the democrats.

Trump also claimed that the virus came from China. Fauci emails prove Trump was right. Did you all hear about the China COVID lab that was found in central California last summer? Yes, that was true. It was actually found in 2022, but the info was kept a secret.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Try to stay on topic. Your statements about Obama, since you brought it up, are false equivalences. To correct your statement's, Obama ( a constitutional scholar) offered that he favored changing certain aspects of the Citizens United decisions through the correct processes, a constitutional amendment that requires two thirds the congress and then the states to ratify it, not by the whim of a kings' edict without any conesus from branches of the Government or the will if the people. Agree with the sentiment or not, , HUGE difference.

For the record, here is what was said before you got you info o from faux news.

"Arguing that "unlimited money" in politics is a key cause of polarization, Obama said, "I would love to see some constitutional process that would allow us to actually regulate campaign spending the way we used to, and maybe even improve it."

These comments — made in the midst of a long, big-picture response to a question on political polarization, during which several issues were discussed — go further than many of the president's past public statements. During a Q&A with Reddit in 2012, the president wrote that "over the long term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional process to overturn Citizens United."

If you truly cannot see why the orange man is a threat to the democratic process, you only have to listen the constant ideological BS that spews from his sprayed on tan orifice on a daily basis. Let's see, think Hitler, think Mussolini, yeah those guys that he mimics on a regular basis. He's the biggest egomaniacal narcissist dictatorial lying sack of hypocritical BS ever to hold the office.

And then you stated...

"After personally witnessing all the corrupt garbage that is taking place, and all the false accusations that were made, what would you do if you were in his shoes?"

First of all, most or virtually all of the accusations have been put to the test by grand juries of his peers and only then was he indicted, you cannot ignore this or make it some sort of hyperbole, 60-1 losses in court against the Con on the very foundation of the BS he has spewed since long before Jan 6th and to date. Why is it that his supports ignore the process that is actually a part of due process - not a made up lack thereof?

The Colorado court the removed him from the ballot was acting on a case that the GOP brought, judges agreed to and that the appellate court agreed with. Under the 14th, you only have to have appeared to have been involved, not have been convicted.

When and where were you personally privy to or witness someone that proved the accusations were not true? pretty sure that the 91 indictments awaiting trial will establish this little bit of information apparently lost most of those that follow the ConMan without regard to what is surely self-evident to those that don't internalize this a s some sort of personal struggle instead of what it is, manipulation of his base for the purpose of attaining power at all cost democracy and our form of government be damned. Wint until you make such false pronunciations.

"Remember, if your going to show me bad things he has done, make sure it's not worse than the current or previous guy has done."

IT"S NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE - NONE OF THE PREVIOUS “GUYS” DID ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE ORANGE MAN HAS DONE OR WILL DO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY!

What about, what about, redirection, deflection, all day long does not change the fact the reasonable people can agree to disagree, vote and live with the legitimate outcomes - unlike tRump or is supporters.

Those that display willful ignorance in spite of the overwhelming DOCUMENTED evidence to the contrary and the ability to be manipulated to that end, that is the real danger.

It’s the way, historically; fascist and dictators have overturned previous representative democracies and constitutional republics into fascist dictatorships. (I minored in econ and world history). Go ahead and ignore all the economic data coming out lately, regarding how much better things are as opposed to 3 years ago on what Trump didn't create. I know, but what about, what about - oh please...

It really doesn't matter who or why, it is better so bring up different more significant argument.

It’s enough that good men do nothing and should that be - bad men will succeed. You're on the wrong side of history, one can only hope.

I see you are taking this way to seriously and getting way too heated.

If you wish to say Trump is a con man, then you have to say the same for Biden. He is stated as being the "Big Guy" in Hunter's emails.

When Clinton lost, she called out for a recount and asked people to find more votes. The same thing Trump did. She didn't concede right away. Did ridicule her for those actions?

You tell me not to compare others, but you have to compare options. Kinda like picking out audio equipment. You weigh the pros and cons. You say Trump is bad. I ask how is the other opponent better?


I will ask three things,
1. Research the judges that he has had in all cases and tell me who put them in office. You stated that not all of them were appointed by a Republican, but yet he was still found innocent.
2. You talk about the judicial system being corrupt, but yet you state he is guilty until proven innocent.
3. What did he do that was so bad?


Isn't this what Trump was saying about the Constitution? I'm sure you will find a way to defend this video.



I am not a republican and I am not a democrat. I would vote for a democrat and I have. Have you vote for a republican, or are you a party voter?

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Good lord, keep drinking the kool-aid, the man is a traitor, doesn;t car one iota about you or anyone else but himself, would throw his mother under the bus if he thought it would gain him something, figured this was a fool's errand.

WHAT THE FECK DOES HUNTER or the sitting president, Obama, the Bush Sr or Jr HAVE TO DO WITH TRUMP?

Why is impossible for you and his supporters to stay on topic? If one's only defence about their own character flaws is to point to to others as a way to justify theris, in a but, but, but kind of way, then you are not taking responsibility for those flaws.

Two wrongs don't make it right!

If you think that these others are so bad and that because they did the same or similar wrongs, then why in hell would you support Trump?

Totally hypocritical!

I'm the first election that I was involved in, I voted for Ronald Reagan, both Bushes and B. Clinton and Obama and would take any of them over Trump, today, yesterday and twice on Sundays!

They have and believe in something completely missing from trump, respect, intelligence and dignity and respect for the democracy they served, not to be served by it.

It's not his policies, it's the man, He is unfit to be president.