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RobGMN said:
Incorrect.
The definition does not say ALL the words originally written must be quoted in order to be verbatim.

I even included a link to a college-level English lesson that uses a partisl quote as an example of a verbatim quote. I believe it was from Purdue University.
Did you read the lesson?

If so, can you tell us YOUR reference that indicates Purdue got their lesson and the examples therein wrong?
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Jesus Christ. This is a stupid argument and you are a stupid person to talk to.
 
ThxOne said:
For the dumb cuck Rob. If I write a sentence and it has 10 words in it then when you quote it VERBATIM you quote it WORD FOR WORD. That means each word from the first to the last word. It is an EXACT COPY of the original sentence. PERIOD!


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Yes. Exactly the same words as were used originally.
It does not say ALL of the words used originally.

The Cambridge Dictionary references this example of “verbatim”. Pay very CLOSE attention: “I can remember lines from movies verbatim”

Notice it says “lines from movies” and not EVERY line from movies, yet still describes the memorizing as “verbatim”. As in “word for word”. No alteration of the words within the quote. Identical.

Here’s another explanation. Note that in the example provided, they use a PARTIAL quote of the original text to show how it works:

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Verbatim copying/direct copying example​

What is it?​

When parts of another person's work are copied directly and presented as your own work. Any use of the exact words of another person or organisation should be placed in quotation marks (“ ”) and cited appropriately, in accordance with the conventions used in your field of study or discipline.

Scholarship example​

Original referenced text​

The shifting fortunes of war had a terrible impact, and not just on those who were killed or maimed in the fighting. When the republican General Custine's forces took the city of Mainz in the Rhineland in October 1792, local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members, adapted their own version of the 'Marseillaise', the 'Bürgerlied der Mainzer', and planted a liberty tree.
Text used with permission, from p. 182 of: McPhee, P. (2016). Liberty or death: The French revolution. Yale University Press.
Note: This reference is formatted in APA 7 style. See Re:cite for other styles.

Good scholarship​

After the capture of the city of Mainz by General Custine, “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” (McPhee, 2016, p.182).

Sorry, but all the name calling in the world isn’t going to change the rules of writing, and it isn’t going to make your opinion correct.
 
RobGMN said:
Yes. Exactly the same words as were used originally.
It does not say ALL of the words used originally.

The Cambridge Dictionary references this example of “verbatim”. Pay very CLOSE attention: “I can remember lines from movies verbatim”

Notice it says “lines from movies” and not EVERY line from movies, yet still describes the memorizing as “verbatim”. As in “word for word”. No alteration of the words within the quote. Identical.

Here’s another explanation. Note that in the example provided, they use a PARTIAL quote of the original text to show how it works:

academicintegrity.unimelb.edu.au

Plagiarism, collusion and other examples of misconduct

Plagiarism, collusion and other examples of misconduct
academicintegrity.unimelb.edu.au academicintegrity.unimelb.edu.au

Verbatim copying/direct copying example​

What is it?​

When parts of another person's work are copied directly and presented as your own work. Any use of the exact words of another person or organisation should be placed in quotation marks (“ ”) and cited appropriately, in accordance with the conventions used in your field of study or discipline.

Scholarship example​

Original referenced text​

The shifting fortunes of war had a terrible impact, and not just on those who were killed or maimed in the fighting. When the republican General Custine's forces took the city of Mainz in the Rhineland in October 1792, local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members, adapted their own version of the 'Marseillaise', the 'Bürgerlied der Mainzer', and planted a liberty tree.
Text used with permission, from p. 182 of: McPhee, P. (2016). Liberty or death: The French revolution. Yale University Press.
Note: This reference is formatted in APA 7 style. See Re:cite for other styles.

Good scholarship​

After the capture of the city of Mainz by General Custine, “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” (McPhee, 2016, p.182).

Sorry, but all the name calling in the world isn’t going to change the rules of writing, and it isn’t going to make your opinion correct.
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No, you pay attention stupid. It says word for word. That means all the words. It means exact copy, that means all the words. Where the phuck did you go to school???
 
RobGMN said:

Verbatim copying/direct copying example​

What is it?​

When parts of another person's work are copied directly and presented as your own work. Any use of the exact words of another person or organisation should be placed in quotation marks (“ ”) and cited appropriately, in accordance with the conventions used in your field of study or discipline.

Scholarship example​

Original referenced text​

The shifting fortunes of war had a terrible impact, and not just on those who were killed or maimed in the fighting. When the republican General Custine's forces took the city of Mainz in the Rhineland in October 1792, local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members, adapted their own version of the 'Marseillaise', the 'Bürgerlied der Mainzer', and planted a liberty tree.
Text used with permission, from p. 182 of: McPhee, P. (2016). Liberty or death: The French revolution. Yale University Press.
Note: This reference is formatted in APA 7 style. See Re:cite for other styles.
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Above is the verbatim copy.
RobGMN said:
Good scholarship
After the capture of the city of Mainz by General Custine, “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” (McPhee, 2016, p.182).
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This is just a copy.
RobGMN said:
Sorry, but all the name calling in the world isn’t going to change the rules of writing, and it isn’t going to make your opinion correct.
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How did you not know they are examples???
 
ThxOne said:
Above is the verbatim copy.

This is just a copy.

How did you not know they are examples???
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It’s an example of verbatim, in a section of the lesson that explains verbatim.

The example shows a partial quote as a verbatim quote. You are wrong.

Repeat 1000x that you are right, but I’ll take a University lesson over your claims any day.

Read the lesson again. Note that it says PARTS of another person’s work, not “complete sentences” or “every single sentence”.
And once again, their example of a verbatim quote is actually a PARTIAL sentence from the original work cited.
PARTIAL SENTENCE.

“Verbatim copying/direct copying example​

What is it?​

When parts of another person's work are copied directly and presented as your own work. Any use of the exact words of another person or organisation should be placed in quotation marks (“ ”) and cited appropriately, in accordance with the conventions used in your field of study or discipline.”
 
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RobGMN said:
It’s an example of verbatim, in a section of the lesson that explains verbatim.

The example shows a partial quote as a verbatim quote. You are wrong.

Repeat 1000x that you are right, but I’ll take a University lesson over your claims any day.

Read the lesson again. Note that it says PARTS of another person’s work, not “complete sentences” or “every single sentence”.
And once again, their example of a verbatim quote is actually a PARTIAL sentence from the original work cited.
PARTIAL SENTENCE.

“Verbatim copying/direct copying example​

What is it?​

When parts of another person's work are copied directly and presented as your own work. Any use of the exact words of another person or organisation should be placed in quotation marks (“ ”) and cited appropriately, in accordance with the conventions used in your field of study or discipline.”
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The problem isn't the material you are citing it's the lack of comprehension on your part I promise. You are literally confusing yourself by trying to take words literal that are not literal.

"Read the lesson again. Note that it says PARTS of another person’s work, not “complete sentences” or “every single sentence”.
And once again, their example of a verbatim quote is actually a PARTIAL sentence from the original work cited.
PARTIAL SENTENCE." - RobGMN

I have quoted you verbatim here and this is where you are confused. Parts absolutely means "complete sentences" or "every single sentence" when it comes to being a verbatim quote. The problem is, your interpretation of the definition is flawed and you think it means something else. There are too many variables in quoting that you have jumbled them all together and have included "verbatim" into your mess when it should be all by itself. I'm not even trying to put you down at this point I am telling you outright, you are wrong about what verbatim means and how to quote something verbatim.
 
ThxOne said:
The problem isn't the material you are citing it's the lack of comprehension on your part I promise. You are literally confusing yourself by trying to take words literal that are not literal.

"Read the lesson again. Note that it says PARTS of another person’s work, not “complete sentences” or “every single sentence”.
And once again, their example of a verbatim quote is actually a PARTIAL sentence from the original work cited.
PARTIAL SENTENCE." - RobGMN

I have quoted you verbatim here and this is where you are confused. Parts absolutely means "complete sentences" or "every single sentence" when it comes to being a verbatim quote. The problem is, your interpretation of the definition is flawed and you think it means something else. There are too many variables in quoting that you have jumbled them all together and have included "verbatim" into your mess when it should be all by itself. I'm not even trying to put you down at this point I am telling you outright, you are wrong about what verbatim means and how to quote something verbatim.
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You think “part of the day” means ALL of the day”?
You think an auto PARTS store sells entire cars?

One more time, the example presented by the university to show verbatim is actually a PARTIAL sentence, from the entire written passage.

Here it is, from the university. I gave omitted quote marks and citation because we have gone over it many times and we all know it’s a quote from a university lesson.

Good scholarship
After the capture of the city of Mainz by General Custine, “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” (McPhee, 2016, p.182).

By “good scholarship”, they are indicating this is the correct way to do things.
The quote “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” is a PARTIAL sentence from the original. It is verbatim.
And it is not every single word from the original passage.

If you think the university is wrong, then you should provide some proof of WHY if you want to argue it here.
If you can’t support you argument with anything other than your opinions, then your argument carries no weight.

Feel free to provide some proof from anywhere that says “parts” of anything means “the whole thing”, that verbatim cannot be “parts” of a full sentence, and that the university screwed up by using a partial sentence as an example for verbatim.

Let’s keep the argument limited to citable information, and not personal opinions or personal declarative statements.
Fair?
 
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RobGMN said:
You think “part of the day” means ALL of the day”?
You think an auto PARTS store sells entire cars?
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It is not the same thing and not a good comparison.
RobGMN said:
One more time, the example presented by the university to show verbatim is actually a PARTIAL sentence, from the entire written passage.

Here it is, from the university. I gave omitted quote marks and citation because we have gone over it many times and we all know it’s a quote from a university lesson.

Good scholarship
After the capture of the city of Mainz by General Custine, “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” (McPhee, 2016, p.182).

By “good scholarship”, they are indicating this is the correct way to do things.
The quote “local patriots created a Society of Friends of Liberty and Equality with five hundred members” is a PARTIAL sentence from the original. It is verbatim.
And it is not every single word from the original passage.

If you think the university is wrong, then you should provide some proof of WHY if you want to argue it here.
If you can’t support you argument with anything other than your opinions, then your argument carries no weight.

Feel free to provide some proof from anywhere that says “parts” of anything means “the whole thing”, that verbatim cannot be “parts” of a full sentence, and that the university screwed up by using a partial sentence as an example for verbatim.

Let’s keep the argument limited to citable information, and not personal opinions or personal declarative statements.
Fair?
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Listen, I think you are taking this too personal. You are going to refuse the facts no matter what so I will just let you go on thinking you are right. Rob, you're right little buddy.
 
ThxOne said:
It is not the same thing and not a good comparison.

Listen, I think you are taking this too personal. You are going to refuse the facts no matter what so I will just let you go on thinking you are right. Rob, you're right little buddy.
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I don’t know, I think you are right. Look below.
 

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