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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It is not the same thing and not a good comparison.

Listen, I think you are taking this too personal. You are going to refuse the facts no matter what so I will just let you go on thinking you are right. Rob, you're right little buddy.

Facts aren’t personal.
If you want to debate dark chocolate versus milk chocolate, THAT is personal.

If you want to debate whether 30+23 = 53, or whether Ohms law is correct, or whether a university has their lesson wrong or right, then it’s a discussion of facts.



I’m not refusing facts at all, just asking that you present or support your argument with citable facts, and not personal opinions or simple demands that you are correct.

You often complain that there is a lack of conversation. Flying off the handle, responding with ad-hominem, “shouting” curse words over and over, doesn’t foster”conversations. Arguing your point with factual info that can be cited and verified DOES.

Fair?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I don’t know, I think you are right. Look below.

I know I am right... but he has a disease.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Facts aren’t personal.
If you want to debate dark chocolate versus milk chocolate, THAT is personal.

If you want to debate whether 30+23 = 53, or whether Ohms law is correct, or whether a university has their lesson wrong or right, then it’s a discussion of facts.



I’m not refusing facts at all, just asking that you present or support your argument with citable facts, and not personal opinions or simple demands that you are correct.

You often complain that there is a lack of conversation. Flying off the handle, responding with ad-hominem, “shouting” curse words over and over, doesn’t foster”conversations. Arguing your point with factual info that can be cited and verified DOES.

Fair?

This is one of those times where it isn't in your best interest to keep arguing. I don't know if you are just missing something or you really just hate being wrong... I don't know what the reason is that you think you are right on this verbatim discussion but I know without a doubt you are incorrect.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I don’t know, I think you are right. Look below.

In order to quote a Bible passage verbatim (word-for-word), do I have to quote the entire Bible?

If the ONLY way to quote something verbatim is to quote EVERYTHING, then why would verbatim even be a concern to a university for a paper, since most ANYTHING you could quote verbatim would be ridiculous to quote in a paper (such as a 509 page book being quoted in a 40 page term paper)?

I’m highly confident the writer wouldn’t be quoting a source that only has one or a few sentences, or an oratory that was similarly short. Neither would have much value in a term paper.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

In order to quote a Bible passage verbatim (word-for-word), do I have to quote the entire Bible?

No, you don't. If there is a paragraph that you like and a specific sentence that you want to quote verbatim then you select the entire sentence and quote it. No alterations, abbreviations, omissions, substitutions. An exact copy of that sentence is verbatim.

If the ONLY way to quote something verbatim is to quote EVERYTHING, then why would verbatim even be a concern to a university for a paper, since most ANYTHING you could quote verbatim would be ridiculous to quote in a paper (such as a 509 page book being quoted in a 40 page term paper)?

Rob I think you are honestly misunderstanding it.

I’m highly confident the writer wouldn’t be quoting a source that only has one or a few sentences, or an oratory that was similarly short. Neither would have much value in a term paper.

 

[djdilliodon!]

In order to quote a Bible passage verbatim (word-for-word), do I have to quote the entire Bible?

If the ONLY way to quote something verbatim is to quote EVERYTHING, then why would verbatim even be a concern to a university for a paper, since most ANYTHING you could quote verbatim would be ridiculous to quote in a paper (such as a 509 page book being quoted in a 40 page term paper)?

I’m highly confident the writer wouldn’t be quoting a source that only has one or a few sentences, or an oratory that was similarly short. Neither would have much value in a term paper.

You would quote the part of the Bible you are quoting word for word. Just like any other thing you would quote. I can’t even believe this is an argument right now but I’m at work and this ish is making me laugh historically

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You would quote the part of the Bible you are quoting word for word. Just like any other thing you would quote. I can’t even believe this is an argument right now but I’m at work and this ish is making me laugh historically

I am concerned for him. If he can get this wrong so easily... what about those people he has had convicted for fraud?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I know I am right... but he has a disease.

This is precisely what I mean.

“I am right because I know I’m right” is not a proof of ANYTHING in a debate or argument.
It’s a logical fallacy.

But if the only way you can debate is with ad-hominem, logical fallacy, personal opinions, and such, then I guess you really don’t want the “conversation” you have asked for so many times.

You just want to make your statement, have it be accepted as fact, and move on.

Probably not the best subforum for it if you know what Thunderdome is named after, but so be it.
Some people just simply aren’t up to the task of being questioned when they make claims, and having to back it up.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

This is precisely what I mean.

“I am right because I know I’m right” is not a proof of ANYTHING in a debate or argument.
It’s a logical fallacy.

But if the only way you can debate is with ad-hominem, logical fallacy, personal opinions, and such, then I guess you really don’t want the “conversation” you have asked for so many times.

You just want to make your statement, have it be accepted as fact, and move on.

Probably not the best subforum for it if you know what Thunderdome is named after, but so be it.
Some people just simply aren’t up to the task of being questioned when they make claims, and having to back it up.

How about you not focus on my joke or using your go to "because I said so" phrase. I know I am right because I comprehend the definition of verbatim. I have had to write papers and use quotes verbatim. Guess what, I got them right. Guess what, it was in college. It's a pretty easy definition to understand.

I have backed it up, given you the definition to which you care less and just want to argue so much that you let yourself be blinded by the need to argue and you failed to understand the definition. Be it ignorance or be it willfully... you don't want to be educated. You already think you are the smartest person you know.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You would quote the part of the Bible you are quoting word for word. Just like any other thing you would quote. I can’t even believe this is an argument right now but I’m at work and this ish is making me laugh historically

But then it wouldn’t be word-for-word per Thxone, since I’m not quoting the entire text of the Bible.

If a word-for-word quote can be done without quoting the ENTIRE original work, then Thxone is not getting the concept.

“do not fear, for I am with you” is copied word-for-word from Isaiah 41:10. I have not altered the words in any way.
This can be checked.

If this is word-for-word, it is also verbatim.
Thx would have us believe I would have to quote the entire Bible for my quote to be word-for-word.
That’d be one HELL of a quote. (pun intended)

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

But then it wouldn’t be word-for-word per Thxone, since I’m not quoting the entire text of the Bible.

If a word-for-word quote can be done without quoting the ENTIRE original work, then Thxone is not getting the concept.

“do not fear, for I am with you” is copied word-for-word from Isaiah 41:10. I have not altered the words in any way.
This can be checked.

If this is word-for-word, it is also verbatim.
Thx would have us believe I would have to quote the entire Bible for my quote to be word-for-word.
That’d be one HELL of a quote. (pun intended)

Now I know you are just being a diick. I never said you would have to quote the whole damn book. Stop being a diick. If that is the whole statement from start to finish then that IS a verbatim quote. If you understand this, why the phuck are you arguing?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

But then it wouldn’t be word-for-word per Thxone, since I’m not quoting the entire text of the Bible.

If a word-for-word quote can be done without quoting the ENTIRE original work, then Thxone is not getting the concept.

“do not fear, for I am with you” is copied word-for-word from Isaiah 41:10. I have not altered the words in any way.
This can be checked.

If this is word-for-word, it is also verbatim.
Thx would have us believe I would have to quote the entire Bible for my quote to be word-for-word.
That’d be one HELL of a quote. (pun intended)

Except that it isn't the whole passage.

"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand" Isaiah 41:10 But this is verbatim.

What you did was post a quote from Isaiah 41:10

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Am I speaking Japanese here? Does anyone else understand the difference between a quote and a verbatim quote?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

How about you not focus on my joke or using your go to "because I said so" phrase. I know I am right because I comprehend the definition of verbatim. I have had to write papers and use quotes verbatim. Guess what, I got them right. Guess what, it was in college. It's a pretty easy definition to understand.

I have backed it up, given you the definition to which you care less and just want to argue so much that you let yourself be blinded by the need to argue and you failed to understand the definition. Be it ignorance or be it willfully... you don't want to be educated. You already think you are the smartest person you know.

If you used quotes verbatim per your definition, then you quoted the ENTIRE source that you cited.

How long were these papers you wrote?