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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

By definition wouldn't they have pretty limited information? If these are top secret aircraft then they "don't know anything."

The pentagon, military, intel agencies, developers of top secret aircraft would know, like Lockhead Martin Skunkworks, Boeing's Phantom Works, etc. They've been reverse engineering actual UFO's for decades and making craft of their own from what's been learned. There is no outside alien threat to us, either. The threat is our own military, global government influence over military actions, etc. Promoting the fear of aliens is just another control mechanism.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There may or may not have been collusion. Specifically he couldn't prove what happened with the polling data once it ended up in Russian hands. What we know is the Trump campaign funneled their polling data to Russia and Russia interfered with the election. As I said it's all been well documented. Furthermore, I never said there was collusion and have in the past referenced Frontline's work in this area which (sorta) exonerates TrumpCo. What I said is Putin did he best to torpedo the Clinton campaign.

We don't know Trump did any of that...

We absolutely know all of that. Trump's campaign manager funneled polling data to Russia, he's on record admitting to doing it. We absolutely know Russia interfered with the election and attempted to torpedo the Clinton campaign - again this is an established fact. Putin has a long standing feud with H. Clinton and thus it would appear Putin's motivation is more to undermine Clinton rather that to "collude" with Trump - again this is very well documented.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The pentagon, military, intel agencies, developers of top secret aircraft would know, like Lockhead Martin Skunkworks, Boeing's Phantom Works, etc. They've been reverse engineering actual UFO's for decades and making craft of their own from what's been learned. There is no outside alien threat to us, either. The threat is our own military, global government influence over military actions, etc. Promoting the fear of aliens is just another control mechanism.

Let's assume that we're really reverse engineering alien tech. Shouldn't that be kept secret, China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, et al since they would also be reverse engineering any alien tech they got their hands on?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Let's assume that we're really reverse engineering alien tech. Shouldn't that be kept secret, China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, et al since they would also be reverse engineering any alien tech they got their hands on?

Secrets this powerful shouldn't be kept a secret. The problem with this secrecy is the nature of UFO's and the physics involved, and how the technology could lead to a true green revolution. Let's say, on the energy production side of things, that whoever has the tech released open source patents for them, meaning anyone could access them and use them for free. What that would do is give all of humanity energy independence. How many energy-resource wars do we get into, like oil wars? The government can't release this technology, because, largely, people wouldn't need the government to sustain themselves. We wouldn't need a giant military to go invade nations for their resources, like we do now. That means the government would lose most or all control over us. They couldn't use fear to scare us into supporting dangerous and violent objectives, and they're a bunch of criminals, so they can't have that. This technology is and will continue being used against us.

The free flow of information might actually unite humanity under a natural world order, where we stop murdering each other over the dumbest shit. Then, maybe, we could stop warring, and actually have the technology to go out into space without worry and promote the survival of our species.

But, the plan is to use a fake, external alien invasion type threat to ramp up national security even more, give even more control to a militarized state type of mindset. It's all going to be a big Hollywood-style production to just make people afraid, and it's just a giant setup. Just another problem->reaction->solution. UFO's and aliens are very real, but the real alien UFO's that are coming from outer space and crashing here and being shot down by the military are not a threat to humanity. If they were, we'd already be taken over, which we are, and it happened 1000's of years ago, the real alien invasion did.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

We absolutely know all of that. Trump's campaign manager funneled polling data to Russia, he's on record admitting to doing it. We absolutely know Russia interfered with the election and attempted to torpedo the Clinton campaign - again this is an established fact. Putin has a long standing feud with H. Clinton and thus it would appear Putin's motivation is more to undermine Clinton rather that to "collude" with Trump - again this is very well documented.

We know manaford had contact...you're assuming Trump was in on it though...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Secrets this powerful shouldn't be kept a secret. The problem with this secrecy is the nature of UFO's and the physics involved, and how the technology could lead to a true green revolution. Let's say, on the energy production side of things, that whoever has the tech released open source patents for them, meaning anyone could access them and use them for free. What that would do is give all of humanity energy independence. How many energy-resource wars do we get into, like oil wars? The government can't release this technology, because, largely, people wouldn't need the government to sustain themselves. We wouldn't need a giant military to go invade nations for their resources, like we do now. That means the government would lose most or all control over us. They couldn't use fear to scare us into supporting dangerous and violent objectives, and they're a bunch of criminals, so they can't have that. This technology is and will continue being used against us.

The free flow of information might actually unite humanity under a natural world order, where we stop murdering each other over the dumbest shit. Then, maybe, we could stop warring, and actually have the technology to go out into space without worry and promote the survival of our species.

But, the plan is to use a fake, external alien invasion type threat to ramp up national security even more, give even more control to a militarized state type of mindset. It's all going to be a big Hollywood-style production to just make people afraid, and it's just a giant setup. Just another problem->reaction->solution. UFO's and aliens are very real, but the real alien UFO's that are coming from outer space and crashing here and being shot down by the military are not a threat to humanity. If they were, we'd already be taken over, which we are, and it happened 1000's of years ago, the real alien invasion did.

On paper that sounds great. In reality assuming there is alien tech floating around, do you trust Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, ISIS, et al to be so magnanimous? Of course if there was a singular One World Gov't then we could open source all this technology. Then again look at stuff that is open source currently and still used against humanity.

In the end if there really is some cheap green source of energy, there's no way "they" are going to let that happen. Look at internet forums for example; forums have gone from great places to freely or at least rather cheaply exchange information and knowledge. Now Facebook (groups), Reddit, Quora, etc have commoditized our knowledge (which we share freely) and use it for their own gain. The world you describe just doesn't exist and I doubt it ever will.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

On paper that sounds great. In reality assuming there is alien tech floating around, do you trust Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, ISIS, et al to be so magnanimous? Of course if there was a singular One World Gov't then we could open source all this technology. Then again look at stuff that is open source currently and still used against humanity.

In the end if there really is some cheap green source of energy, there's no way "they" are going to let that happen. Look at internet forums for example; forums have gone from great places to freely or at least rather cheaply exchange information and knowledge. Now Facebook (groups), Reddit, Quora, etc have commoditized our knowledge (which we share freely) and use it for their own gain. The world you describe just doesn't exist and I doubt it ever will.

I said a natural world order, not a world gov.

Yes, you’re right. The technology won’t be released, and we’ll have war, until billions are dead from bioweapons; I totally agree. The world gov will try to kill most of humanity before they release all of this technology. Like I say, they’ll use bioweapon deployments to get rid of most of us, so they can have the planet and technology to themselves.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

We know manaford had contact...you're assuming Trump was in on it though...

I never said Trump was in on it. As a matter of fact I've said twice in this conversation that there is reason to believe there wasn't collusion. I only stated things that are verifiable facts.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

On paper that sounds great. In reality assuming there is alien tech floating around, do you trust Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, ISIS, et al to be so magnanimous? Of course if there was a singular One World Gov't then we could open source all this technology. Then again look at stuff that is open source currently and still used against humanity.

In the end if there really is some cheap green source of energy, there's no way "they" are going to let that happen. Look at internet forums for example; forums have gone from great places to freely or at least rather cheaply exchange information and knowledge. Now Facebook (groups), Reddit, Quora, etc have commoditized our knowledge (which we share freely) and use it for their own gain. The world you describe just doesn't exist and I doubt it ever will.

Hom much do you trust our government? And our politicians forgot they are public servants. Our founding fathers understood this when drafting the constitution.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The world you describe just doesn't exist and I doubt it ever will.

China...it does exist...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I said a natural world order, not a world gov.

Yes, you’re right. The technology won’t be released, and we’ll have war, until billions are dead from bioweapons; I totally agree. The world gov will try to kill most of humanity before they release all of this technology. Like I say, they’ll use bioweapon deployments to get rid of most of us, so they can have the planet and technology to themselves.

I'm not sure what a "natural world order" is. I'd say what we have currently is "natural world order." Perhaps a singular world gov't could open source such technology, but I find that doubtful as well.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

China is nothing like the world Buck described...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

China is nothing like the world Buck described...

Yeah that's my bad...I commented while taking a break from chasing down a rattle and misread things I've been all over my car since 9am and still can't find it it's bugging the sh!t out of me...right around mid the mid 30's it sounds almost like a coil rattling...I'm about to the point where everything is coming out of the cabin and getting cld with rhino liner on top

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That would be interesting. Maybe the Wagner uprising was just a ruse to get those troops into Belrus without triggering a NATO reaction. Putin's a nutcase if goes for this.

Putin 'plans to use Wagner fighters to invade land between Poland and Lithuania'

‘Several hundred’ mercenaries are said to be moving close to the Suwalki Corridor – dubbed NATO’s ‘Achilles heel’.

metro.co.uk

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Weaponizing this weaponizing that. The FBI and DOJ are "weaponized" because they do their job. Now a narrative was weaponized because UCI did it's job and is creating an open category for "otherly" gendered zeeple.

"I guess what complicates all of this is the sense that it is fallout from something I did," Killips wrote. "Surely if it wasn’t me someone else would have become the scapegoat but the unfortunate matter is that I’m one of the figures that pushed the limits of inclusion for this particular moment and a cabal of right wingers who want nothing but the worst for the world were able to successfully weaponize it.

Transgender cyclist Austin Killips swipes at 'cabal of right wingers' after cycling officials change policy

Austin Killips responded on Sunday to the UCI altering its transgender participation policy and opening up an open category in the sport for future events.

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