Winners only.

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Are you willing to offer more than an "everyone knows" support of this statement?

It was kinda common knowledge that rioters were being allowed to riot.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes. Gaige also had the drop on Kyle and could have shot HIM in self defense. Good guy vs good guy.

Agreed had Gaige got his shot off first, he probably would have mounted a successful self defense defense. OTOH, Huber couldn't have claimed self-defense or at least it would have been a tough case to win.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Yes. Gaige also had the drop on Kyle and could have shot HIM in self defense. Good guy vs good guy.

NO lol

Not at all!!!!

You are not in defense of your life if YOU are the one committing the assault lol.

Gaige could have shot him, yes. But in that event he would (or at least should) be tried and convicted of murder based on the way the video proof played out.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

@Buck. So for my child to ride the bus to/from school, he had to use a tracking RFID badge that will track his location. I'm sure they're not capturing other tracking data outside of the bus trip.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

They pressed charges, but the charges were dropped, which is a BS move in my opinion if he was guilty.

Court testimony is that he is/was a paramedic, had a concealed carry permit (expired), drew from the small of his back (yuck) only after Kyle shot Huber, and raised his hands while Kyle re-racked. Not sure how he had a permit with the felony or how long it was expired.
What's the full story behind this guy?

"Video evidence shows Grosskreutz stopping and raising his hands, his pistol pointing in the air. Grosskreutz testified that he saw Rittenhouse re-rack his rifle to load a new round into the chamber.
"In that moment, I felt that I had to do something to try to prevent myself from being killed or being shot," Grosskreutz testified. "I decided the best course of action would be to close the distance between the defendant and I, and from there, I don't know ... wrestling the gun, detaining the defendant, I don't know ... I do know that I was never trying to kill the defendant."

"Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."

Could this just be a cover story for someone who was part of the destruction of the riots, or could he have been a Good Samaritan like Kyle and two good guys ended up facing off?

Probably 2 guys trying to do the right thing. IMHO, Rosenbaum and Huber are the bad guys.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

NO lol

Not at all!!!!

You are not in defense of your life if YOU are the one committing the assault lol.

Gaige could have shot him, yes. But in that event he would (or at least should) be tried and convicted of murder based on the way the video proof played out.

Was Gaige assaulting Kyle, or was he trying to prevent Kyle from shooting HIM, thinking that Kyle was an active shooter?

Does the video match his testimony, or was he saying what his attorney told him to say (just like Kyle did)?

"Grosskreutz, 27, testified that he unholstered his handgun on August 25, 2020, as he and a crowd followed Rittenhouse, who had just fatally shot another man. Rittenhouse fell to the ground, fired twice at an unknown person and then fatally shot Anthony Huber.
Grosskreutz, just feet away, put his hands in the air, videos show. He then saw Rittenhouse rerack his weapon -- a motion that loads it for gunfire, he testified.
"Reracking the weapon in my mind meant that the defendant pulled the trigger while my hands were in the air, but the gun didn't fire, so by reracking the weapon I inferred the defendant wasn't accepting my surrender," he testified.
Yet Grosskreutz did not pull the trigger of his weapon, he said.
"I was never trying to kill the defendant. In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life, but doing so while taking the life of another is not something I am capable or comfortable doing."

Witness in Kyle Rittenhouse trial says first shooting victim acted 'belligerently'
"That's not the kind of person I am," he added, citing his medical training."

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Where's the rock that you speak of? He tripped. Just like the article you posted says. He could've stayed there. Who was chasing him after the second killing? Why didn't he use his first aid kit on Rosenbaum? I thought he was there to provide medical help? Why did he call his friend and not the police? Why didn't he get on his knees and surrender to the police? How many bad decisions can one kid make in one night?

The rock is lying on the ground dropped by the first guy that hit him just few seconds before he falls.

I'm guessing Kyle is capable of dealing with scapes, cuts, washing pepper spray out of somebody's eyes; probably way over his head when it comes to gunshot wounds. TBH, I don’t know that I'd be to interested in administering first aid to guy that threatened to kill me if he caught me alone, then tried to make good on it.

It's odd that your standards for Rittenhose are so high, but you have yet to condemn Rosenbaum for setting off this powder keg. By all accounts Kyle was rendering first aid and putting out fires. OTOH, Rosenbaum was threatening to kill folks.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Agreed had Gaige got his shot off first, he probably would have mounted a successful self defense defense. OTOH, Huber couldn't have claimed self-defense or at least it would have been a tough case to win.

had Huber lived, a good attorney could have worked it into a "let's roll" scenario, where Huber proclaims "white kid with gun showed up to start some shit at a BLM riot. I figured I was probably going to die, so i went after him with the only thing I had - a skateboard".

Never bring a skateboard to a gun fight. Better yet, stay TF home when a curfew is imposed.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Was Gaige assaulting Kyle, or was he trying to prevent Kyle from shooting HIM, thinking that Kyle was an active shooter?

Does the video match his testimony, or was he saying what his attorney told him to say (just like Kyle did)?

"Grosskreutz, 27, testified that he unholstered his handgun on August 25, 2020, as he and a crowd followed Rittenhouse, who had just fatally shot another man. Rittenhouse fell to the ground, fired twice at an unknown person and then fatally shot Anthony Huber.
Grosskreutz, just feet away, put his hands in the air, videos show. He then saw Rittenhouse rerack his weapon -- a motion that loads it for gunfire, he testified.
"Reracking the weapon in my mind meant that the defendant pulled the trigger while my hands were in the air, but the gun didn't fire, so by reracking the weapon I inferred the defendant wasn't accepting my surrender," he testified.
Yet Grosskreutz did not pull the trigger of his weapon, he said.
"I was never trying to kill the defendant. In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life, but doing so while taking the life of another is not something I am capable or comfortable doing."

Witness in Kyle Rittenhouse trial says first shooting victim acted 'belligerently'
"That's not the kind of person I am," he added, citing his medical training."

Kyle became an "active shooter" when he fell and was forced to defend himself. Imho, it all starts with Rosenbaum. If Rosenbaum would have been satisfied with cornering and scaring Kyle shitless, then none of this happens. Once, Rosenbaum gets himself shot, it's chaos. Should Huber have taken a skateboard to Kyle's head - no. Otoh, given the crowd chanting "get him, he shot somebody" and emotions running high, I think we can understand how somebody gets caught up in the moment and makes a really poor decision.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

had Huber lived, a good attorney could have worked it into a "let's roll" scenario, where Huber proclaims "white kid with gun showed up to start some shit at a BLM riot. I figured I was probably going to die, so i went after him with the only thing I had - a skateboard".

Never bring a skateboard to a gun fight. Better yet, stay TF home when a curfew is imposed.

He may have been able to get that defense to fly. If I was on jury, I'd say the video evidence conflicts with that scenario. Maybe Huber could convince me he was indeed in fear of his life when he took the stand. His GF testified that she grabbed Huber and tried to prevent him from going after Rittenhouse,but he broke loose of her grip and gave chase.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Was Gaige assaulting Kyle, or was he trying to prevent Kyle from shooting HIM, thinking that Kyle was an active shooter?

Kyle was in retreat. He was knocked down and attacked ... the video shows Gaige confronted Kyle, Kyle took a defensive stance but DID NOT PULL the trigger until Gaige made the decision to point his gun at him.

Its one of the most OVERLOOKED aspect of this case. Kyle was super composed and under that type of stress getting attacked from all points he maintained his awareness and ONLY shot at those who were imminent threats in the moment.

Maybe Gaige should have been able to access the situation! Then maybe he would have realized the shooter was actually the victim and he wouldn't have had his bicep vaporized.

Does the video match his testimony, or was he saying what his attorney told him to say (just like Kyle did)?

Despite what the video showed, Gaige testified he only shot in self defense. . but destroyed his own defense when he testified that Kyle did not pull the trigger until he lowered his handgun toward Kyle. The star witness . . . .the glue that was supposed to make the entire thing stick for the prosecutor openly admitted in court that he was the one to point a gun at Kyle and Kyle merely shot in defense of that.

"Grosskreutz, 27, testified that he unholstered his handgun on August 25, 2020, as he and a crowd followed Rittenhouse, who had just fatally shot another man. Rittenhouse fell to the ground, fired twice at an unknown person and then fatally shot Anthony Huber.
Grosskreutz, just feet away, put his hands in the air, videos show. He then saw Rittenhouse rerack his weapon -- a motion that loads it for gunfire, he testified.
"Reracking the weapon in my mind meant that the defendant pulled the trigger while my hands were in the air, but the gun didn't fire, so by reracking the weapon I inferred the defendant wasn't accepting my surrender," he testified.
Yet Grosskreutz did not pull the trigger of his weapon, he said.
"I was never trying to kill the defendant. In that moment, I was trying to preserve my own life, but doing so while taking the life of another is not something I am capable or comfortable doing."

Witness in Kyle Rittenhouse trial says first shooting victim acted 'belligerently'
"That's not the kind of person I am," he added, citing his medical training."

What the video shows is that Kyle never fired his weapon while Gaige was retreating or his hands were in the air. As soon as Gaige lowered his loaded and chambered handgun toward Kyle, Kyle shot.

Gaige claimed that he saw Rittenhouse "re-rack his weapon". Nothing proven in court or verified by the video.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That is a lot of questions. Why don't you tell us the answers you are looking for because any answers we give will be wrong in your mind. So please, tell us the answers you are looking for.

It's not a series of questions, but rather one big question. The answer he is looking for is "Rittenhouse is the anti-christ."

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

It's not a series of questions, but rather one big question. The answer he is looking for is "Rittenhouse is the anti-christ."

lol . . . here is the leftists take on Kyle Rittenhouse

Kyle was a self identified white supremacist who illegally obtained a military baby blaster that he and his mother drove across state lines into Kenosha to answer a 'call to arms' put out by a nazi militia group to stand in front of businesses and shoot poor innocent people who were peacefully protesting.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Kyle was in retreat. He was knocked down and attacked ... the video shows Gaige confronted Kyle, Kyle took a defensive stance but DID NOT PULL the trigger until Gaige made the decision to point his gun at him.

Its one of the most OVERLOOKED aspect of this case. Kyle was super composed and under that type of stress getting attacked from all points he maintained his awareness and ONLY shot at those who were imminent threats in the moment.

Maybe Gaige should have been able to access the situation! Then maybe he would have realized the shooter was actually the victim and he wouldn't have had his bicep vaporized.



Despite what the video showed, Gaige testified he only shot in self defense. . but destroyed his own defense when he testified that Kyle did not pull the trigger until he lowered his handgun toward Kyle. The star witness . . . .the glue that was supposed to make the entire thing stick for the prosecutor openly admitted in court that he was the one to point a gun at Kyle and Kyle merely shot in defense of that.



What the video shows is that Kyle never fired his weapon while Gaige was retreating or his hands were in the air. As soon as Gaige lowered his loaded and chambered handgun toward Kyle, Kyle shot.

Gaige claimed that he saw Rittenhouse "re-rack his weapon". Nothing proven in court or verified by the video.

I didn't see him re-rack the weapon, nor would he need to unless it jammed. I don't see an indication that he suffered a jammed weapon. That said in the fog of battle, who can be 100% sure what is happening.

Imho, while Gaige's testimony didn't help, the videos are really what determined the outcome. Keep in mind before Rosenbaum got himself shot, there is video of Kyle yelling "friendly, friendly, friendly" to Rosenbaum.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

lol . . . here is the leftists take on Kyle Rittenhouse

Kyle was a self identified white supremacist who illegally obtained a military baby blaster that he and his mother drove across state lines into Kenosha to answer a 'call to arms' put out by a nazi militia group to stand in front of businesses and shoot poor innocent people who were peacefully protesting.

Sounds alot like how Trump voters are described.