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So, I had pretty much made up my mind on my next HU purchase and had chosen the Pioneer DMH-1500NEX:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-krCwoNyGb2h/p_130DM1500/Pioneer-DMH-1500NEX.html

The main deciding factors were price point (since I also have to purchase a $400 kit to install it), Android Auto, and the ability to run active components via network mode.

But, I'm seeing that Crutchfield has some pretty good deals on some Kenwood units and I'm starting to rethink my decision.  I've read quite a few reviews and it seems to be a concensus that the Kenwoods offer better SQ and better looking screens.  These are the two that I'm looking at.  Both have wireless Android Auto, which is appealing.  But, I'm unsure whether the built in crossovers have the same functionality as Pioneer's network mode.  One is an open box deal, the other is just on sale.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_113DMX905S/Kenwood-Excelon-DMX905S.html?cc=02&tp=5684

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_113DDX9705/Kenwood-DDX9705S.html?avf=Y

What would y'all do?

 

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Take a look at the Alpine iLx-W650. It’s less than the Pioneer.

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2 hours ago, tweaked said:

Take a look at the Alpine iLx-W650. It’s less than the Pioneer.

Do you have this HU? If so how do you like it? I was thinking of going with that one. I use discs rarely, but still unsure of going mechless 

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9 hours ago, Garnell01 said:

Do you have this HU? If so how do you like it? I was thinking of going with that one. I use discs rarely, but still unsure of going mechless 

Yes,  I just got it and so far I'm really impressed.  The only thing I'm less than thrilled about is the in call volume.  I have both my phone and the deck volume all the way up and it still feels a little quiet.  Otherwise,  it's an amazing HU. I'm especially surprised by how much my bass has improved just by swapping the HU. Everything is still set to flat too. 

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3 hours ago, tweaked said:

Yes,  I just got it and so far I'm really impressed.  The only thing I'm less than thrilled about is the in call volume.  I have both my phone and the deck volume all the way up and it still feels a little quiet.  Otherwise,  it's an amazing HU. I'm especially surprised by how much my bass has improved just by swapping the HU. Everything is still set to flat too. 

Out of curiosity, do you use Andorid Auto much?  One thing I've found in the reviews is a lot of folks complaining about the sound quality being worse when use AA vs.  playing via Bluetooth. 

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4 hours ago, tweaked said:

Yes,  I just got it and so far I'm really impressed.  The only thing I'm less than thrilled about is the in call volume.  I have both my phone and the deck volume all the way up and it still feels a little quiet.  Otherwise,  it's an amazing HU. I'm especially surprised by how much my bass has improved just by swapping the HU. Everything is still set to flat too. 

When you say you have better bass, what head unit were you running before? and do you use apple carplay?  I heard that you have to buy a special alpine usb cable in order to connect, which would probably make my decision, I have a 3.0 usb cable that looks like a cigarette outlet that i have modded my console panel to accommodate and would like to use that one.  

Also, I have a bypass to play videos while the parking brake is not engaged.  Have you done this?  I heard it is a bit trickier with this HU

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1 hour ago, 4BangerStanger said:

Out of curiosity, do you use Andorid Auto much?  One thing I've found in the reviews is a lot of folks complaining about the sound quality being worse when use AA vs.  playing via Bluetooth. 

Android Auto is all I use, and with Spotify premium,  it sounds awesome. 

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6 minutes ago, Garnell01 said:

When you say you have better bass, what head unit were you running before? and do you use apple carplay?  I heard that you have to buy a special alpine usb cable in order to connect, which would probably make my decision, I have a 3.0 usb cable that looks like a cigarette outlet that i have modded my console panel to accommodate and would like to use that one.  

Also, I have a bypass to play videos while the parking brake is not engaged.  Have you done this?  I heard it is a bit trickier with this HU

My previous HU was the JBL Legend CP100.  I don't use Apple CarPlay,  so I can't speak to that,  but the HU comes with a USB cable that I didn't use because the one that came with the JBL was already installed.  I haven't had any issues. As for the parking brake,  I used the parking brake relay and it worked perfectly.  I think what they mean by it being trickier is that is not as simple as connecting the parking brake wire to ground. 

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Forgot part of my response.

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OK, just figured out the Alpine is out for me. I need the ability to run active components. So, I'm back to the original question of whether the Kenwood is a better unit than the Pioneer and if it's worth an extra $120.  Mu instinct is to say no, and use that $120 toward the mounting kit. But, at the same time, the Kenwood is normally a $750 deck. So, the deal is really good. 

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4Banger... I think if you are not using a DSP to go active I'd say use the Pioneer. I am an eXcelon fan boy myself but I don't think they will do active like the Pioneer will. Buuuuuuuuut if you got an eXcelon and saved the $120 you could just as easily use some penny pinching and save up a few more dollars for an inexpensive DSP. Food for thought.

Also, the eXcelon screens are outstanding!


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Kenwood put a bandpass crossover in one of their head units ?


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34 minutes ago, ThxOne said:

4Banger... I think if you are not using a DSP to go active I'd say use the Pioneer. I am an eXcelon fan boy myself but I don't think they will do active like the Pioneer will. Buuuuuuuuut if you got an eXcelon and saved the $120 you could just as easily use some penny pinching and save up a few more dollars for an inexpensive DSP. Food for thought.

Also, the eXcelon screens are outstanding!

Yeah, no plan to run a DSP.  So, I think I'm going to stick with the Pioneer. That extra $120 is 1/3 of the price of the mounting kit. Any money saved now means that much closer to the rest of the system. 

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3 hours ago, 4BangerStanger said:

OK, just figured out the Alpine is out for me. I need the ability to run active components. So, I'm back to the original question of whether the Kenwood is a better unit than the Pioneer and if it's worth an extra $120.  Mu instinct is to say no, and use that $120 toward the mounting kit. But, at the same time, the Kenwood is normally a $750 deck. So, the deal is really good. 

dont even look at anything other than pioneer. Kenwood head units cannot do active at all and they are usually buggy as fk and slow and they have a really dark sound signature.


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30 minutes ago, Jeffdachef said:

dont even look at anything other than pioneer. Kenwood head units cannot do active at all and they are usually buggy as fk and slow and they have a really dark sound signature.

I appreciate the input. Pioneer it is. 

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not to mention the newer models have a 31 band EQ on the pioneer smart sync app


09 Sienna Subs : Four Team Ascendant 18s......Sub amp: Two Taramps 15k

Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS......Mids/Highs two pioneer gm 8604 bridged, one at 4 ohms bridged one at 2 ohms bridged, one ppi 600.2 for tweets.

Front stage: Two PWX 10s per door midbass only....... PRV 6MR500 midrange....... Massive CT 2 german tweeters.

320 amp Singer alt....... 1 group 34 under the hood 6 group31 agms in the back 560 amp hours total.

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