YAY! To Judge Ruling Against ID Being Taught In Science Class

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Why did we lose our tail?

Hey man take it easy! The bitch left me! I didn't want her to leave but she did! Now I have to find new tail- it's a bit like evolution...one chick leaves, so I find a new hotter freakier chick. But then it's like ID too- my future trophy wife is in grade school right now ripening........

thought this thread could use a splash of humor!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

yeah, read it and visit the website. after that, answer this:
is there ever such a thing as effect without cause (big bang theory)?

can life come from non-life (non-living bacteria coming to life and evolving)?

if your answer to both of these is a 100% yes, regardless of what your explanation is, we are idiots to each other and we all wasted time explaining to each other all 12 -13 pages of this stuff.

Brings me to another point (not directed at you in any way, you acutaully seem to know what the hell you're talking about lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif), the Big Bang Theory NEVER states the universe came from nothing. To sum it up, the universe was always here, in one form or another. Now if Christians can imagine their god have always been ehre, why is it so hard to imagine the universe as always have been here?

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

Anyone else find it kind of ironic that SirSyko has a Tool CD cover for his avatar?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Thats the spirit! Judge the messenger, not what he has to say.
Wont be funny when you say that in front of God.

Won't be funny when all of the Catholics realize there is no god........Wait, yes it will...... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

The only issue I see is intelligent design could be just as much of a scientific theory as the big bang. There are things currently taught in science class that haven't been proven as fact but they are assumed as fact because there is evidence that fits, but just because something fits doesn't prove something as fact. If you take the definition of science nowhere in the definition does it say itelligent design must be excluded from science. That's just what the more limited definition that the courts created came up with.

But, to my knowledge, the big bang is mathmatically provable (at the very least).

And yes, the definition of science inherently excludes intelligent design due to it's reliance upon an intelligent being.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

Brings me to another point (not directed at you in any way, you acutaully seem to know what the hell you're talking about lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif), the Big Bang Theory NEVER states the universe came from nothing. To sum it up, the universe was always here, in one form or another. Now if Christians can imagine their god have always been ehre, why is it so hard to imagine the universe as always have been here?

now do you mean here as we know it with stars and planets other than earth or here as in just blackness with no stars or planets?

which brings us back to the question, is there ever such a thing as effect without cause? the effect is the big bang; what was the cause?

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

now do you mean here as we know it with stars and planets other than earth or here as in just blackness with no stars or planets?which brings us back to the question, is there ever such a thing as effect without cause? the effect is the big bang; what was the cause?

Oh, sorry, I farted...

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Anyone else find it kind of ironic that SirSyko has a Tool CD cover for his avatar?

X ~ a billion...

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

now do you mean here as we know it with stars and planets other than earth or here as in just blackness with no stars or planets?which brings us back to the question, is there ever such a thing as effect without cause? the effect is the big bang; what was the cause?

Likewise, that is like asking where God came from. There is no point in arguing issues that cannot be addressed on either side.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

But, to my knowledge, the big bang is mathmatically provable (at the very least).
And yes, the definition of science inherently excludes intelligent design due to it's reliance upon an intelligent being.

ID is mathematically provable too. how? because you have to take into consideration how complex different organisms are. what does that have to do with anything?? organisms are so complex, that mathematically, they sit on a razors edge, so to speak.

for instance look how complex our eyes are. they way our pupils, iris and occular muscles (they make our eyes move around) function is so intricate and complex, that if you use evolution/random selection to explain it, then it doesn't make since, cause you have to then take into account why organisms needed eyes in the first place?

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

Oh, sorry, I farted...

its ok

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

Likewise, that is like asking where God came from. There is no point in arguing issues that cannot be addressed on either side.

no, what i was asking was ....... was the universe here as we know it now or in a different form. i'm not asking was it here at all or not.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

ID is mathematically provable too. how? because you have to take into consideration how complex different organisms are. what does that have to do with anything?? organisms are so complex, that mathematically, they sit on a razors edge, so to speak. for instance look how complex our eyes are. they way our pupils, iris and occular muscles (they make our eyes move around) function is so intricate and complex, that if you use evolution/random selection to explain it, then it doesn't make since, cause you have to then take into account why organisms needed eyes in the first place?

Sorry, but that argument holds absolutely zero scientific weight. Evolution has been occuring for billions of years....you don't think that something complex (many complex things) could form within that time?

ID is not scientifically or mathmatically provable. If it were, religion wouldn't be based on faith but scientific fact. Just because something is complex, it doesn't prove it must have been designed by an intelligent being. And just because science has yet to 100% explain every last minute detail in and to the universe doesn't prove that there is an intelligent being that created it all.

ID is not, will not nor can ever be science.

Sorry. Accept it and move on.

Whether or not you agree with evolution is a completely different subject. But, that doesn't change the fact that ID is not, will not nor ever can be science or a scientific theory.....and the American judicial system agrees //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

now do you mean here as we know it with stars and planets other than earth or here as in just blackness with no stars or planets?which brings us back to the question, is there ever such a thing as effect without cause? the effect is the big bang; what was the cause?

I think everyone can agree that science doesn't have a complete, thorough explaination of what caused the big bang. BUT, that doesn't by default mean that an intelligent being was the cause. ID doesn't "win" by default.

You have to take into account that scientific study has only been around for what....500 years, and only really advanced scientific study for 200 years or so. Ofcourse we aren't going to have the entire billions and billions of years and events within the universe completely explained or defined yet. To attribute it to ID by default is rather ridiculous and ignorant, IMHO.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

ID is mathematically provable too. how? because you have to take into consideration how complex different organisms are. what does that have to do with anything?? organisms are so complex, that mathematically, they sit on a razors edge, so to speak. for instance look how complex our eyes are. they way our pupils, iris and occular muscles (they make our eyes move around) function is so intricate and complex, that if you use evolution/random selection to explain it, then it doesn't make since, cause you have to then take into account why organisms needed eyes in the first place?

That post reeks of ignorance. Complexity does not imply ID. To quote Spinoza:

"If a stone has fallen from a room onto someone's head and killed him, they will show, in the following way, that the stone fell in order to kill the man. For if it did not fall to that end, God willing it, how could so many circumstances have concurred by chance (for often many circumstances do concur at once)? Perhaps you will answer that it happened because the wind was blowing hard and the man was walking that way. But they will persist: why was the wind blowing hard at that time? why was the man walking that way at that time? If you answer again that the wind arose then because on the preceding day, while the weather was still calm, the sea began to toss, and that the man had been invited by a friend, they will press on -- for there is no end to the questions which can be asked: but why was the sea tossing? why was the man invited at just that time? And so they will not stop asking for the causes of causes until you take refuge in the will of God, i.e., the sanctuary of ignorance. (I, Appendix)"