Would this be legal?

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

There are some bad arse mother bishes on this site.

 

[solidcrowd 10+ year member]

do it like jezzy..."shoot first and ask questions lata" lol

 

[AudioAnonymous 10+ year member]

if she's truly your girl, she would handle the situation.

I agree. It's her fault she didn't do anything about it in the first place. I would just leave if she let them keep doing it. Now if they were hounding her after hse said she wasn't interested that's a different story.

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

The last few answers are finally logical and correct. lol

Chances are, those answers are from those that actually carry.

Different states have different rules about concealed carry in not only bars, but in any establishment that serves alcohol. In most of my research it has usually been specifically for businesses that make the majority of their income from alcohol sales, so places like a pizza joint that serves pitchers of beer wouldn't fit in that situation.

Also, in some places, all a business owner has to do is put up a sign or sticker on the door prohibiting weapons in their business and you're not allowed by state law even to carry in that business with a permit. You might be surprised how many places have these stickers that you don't even notice most of the time. In some areas it can seriously limit your ability to carry.

Yeah, that the gheyest thing about it is what they arnt considering. The ONLY ones that are affected by those so called rules, are those who dont have any intent on criminal activity. Shit if I saw a place with one of those signs in front, and I was someone who may be considering robbing the place. Thats a GO sign IMO //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif There are two ways around this though, walk through an entrance that doesnt have that sign (some places forget) or just say screw it, its concealed, and walk in anyway.

"Brandishment" is an actual criminal charge in some places, and applies not just to people who go around threatening people, but even to those who have concealed carry permits and don't go to proper lengths to keep their weapons out of the public eye. A permit holder who wears a shoulder holster and removes their outer jacket could be charged, or someone who wears a belt holster without a shirt or jacket long enough to keep it hidden all the time. Bending over in a store and someone seeing a .45 in the back of your pants can frighten people enough to have someone call the police (especially in this post-9/11 world), which can lead to revocation of your permit or even criminal charges.

True, the funny thing is even in states like AZ or TX were open carry is 100% legal (no permit required) you can get charged for brandishment. If its concealed, keep it concealed. Thats the bottom line. The few times I did carry openly, oddly enough most people never noticed.

So, in short, if you're serious about getting CCW permit, this would definitely be a question to ask in the class you are most likely required to take, since the laws will vary from state to state, and even business to business.

I forget, but there was a site with detailed info on a per state level... I believe its packing.org (whenever its working)

From my perspective, it's much much easier to defuse a potentially violent situation when you're carrying, because you know you hold the ace or the trump card. It's much easier to back down, let the mouth-breathers feel like they're the big badass, because I know that I can do whatever is humanly possible to try to avoid it, but if it comes down to it, I know the outcome is assured.

Its never assured though, short range is a knifes territory. You'd be better off defending hand to hand until you push the person back far enough to give you time to draw. Trying to draw while someone is rushing you = getting stabbed many times before you do anything. Even if the end result is the same, getting stabbed= FTL //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Example:

Seabass: "How'd you like me to shove your teeth down your throat?"

Me: "I'd really hate for you to do that, maybe I should just find somewhere else to hang out." (thinking I'd really hate to have to end someone's life tonight and then deal with all the legal consequences as well)

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It adds a supreme confidence and calm, in my experience. Much easier to just back down when you know you have the upper hand and are truly in no real danger, despite outward appearances... it's the same kind of scenario with those who have extensive martial arts training, I believe. Maybe some of them could explain it better. You must be very disciplined, it's not just to scare people off and show them that you aren't to be messed with.

The biggest thing to worry about IMO, are groups. People in a group act differently and feed off each others stupidity. Those are the ones who usually wont back down, even if you do.

To me, anyone who has a habit of pulling out their piece in only slightly threatening situations that they could have easily avoided by simply letting go of their pride or being a bit more humble doesn't actually deserve the privilege.

True.

IIRC, the rules are as followed.

If a person has the intent to harm (usually obvious by posture and facial expression) and has the means to harm someone (weapon of any kind) and is actively searching for the right moment (...few seconds left) THAT = a Green light.

If you wait until they complete that sequence (step 4= an actual assault) you kinda waited too long //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif If it ever comes to that, look around. There might be someone else worth shooting, make the most of that situation //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

Random thought.....
If you were of-age to own a weapon (lets say a handgun)..

If you had a concealed carry permit...

All up to date with your licenses,

and lets say you were at a bar, or in a situation where you felt like you were about to get your *** pummeled by like 2-4 guys who are about to jump you, is it LEGAL to SHOW the weapon?

like say you're in a bar. 3 guys are tryin to get with your girl, you tell em to back off, now they wanna basically jump you. you know they are about to make a move, so you pull out your gun.

would this be legal as long as you dont use it?

can't bring a gun into a place that has over 50% of its sales by selling drinks. (FL law doubt states vary much on this). You need more than a basic CWP to carry into a bar.

you cant threaten with deadly force when you are approached with non-deadly force. You can still claim imperfect self-defense as a mitigating circumstance.