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[RobGMN Premium Member]

The average semi holds between 200-300 gallons...at 5mpg...that's between 1000-1500 miles topped off on average...semi use high flow system to refuel at up to 60 gal per minute...

If there's widespread installation of Tesla mega chargers it takes 30min to "fuel" up for up to 500 miles...

No matter how you slice it that's more time off the road refueling...

Given that truck stops only have so much real estate to work with that's fewer trucks per day refueled..

And before you say they can recharge on their 10...there's already a big shortage of places for drivers to just park for that 10hr break...let alone places the mega charger could be installed...

And loading dock idea could work in some instances...most major off loading sites are designed to move as much freight as possible with little room to spare for much else...so even with a redesign...that'd lower the amount of freight offloaded per day...

All of which raises shipping costs per mile...

But hey those are just little details...

The average semi does 173 miles a day. Even 300 miles on a charge is almost double the average need.
“Based on strict Hours of Service (HOS)regulations set by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), a truck driver can be behind the wheel for a maximum of 11 hours in a 24-hour period. Based on average speed — along with other factors — a truck driver can be expected to travel roughly 500 miles on average.”

But wait, there’s more:

• 30-Minute Driving Break: a driver must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption.
• When we plan loads here at ATS, we expect roughly two hours out of a driver’s day to be spent either unloading at the previous delivery destination or loading at the pickup destination.
  This means we can realistically expect a driver to be driving for about eight hours.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The average semi does 173 miles a day. Even 300 miles on a charge is almost double the average need.
“Based on strict Hours of Service (HOS)regulations set by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), a truck driver can be behind the wheel for a maximum of 11 hours in a 24-hour period. Based on average speed — along with other factors — a truck driver can be expected to travel roughly 500 miles on average.”

But wait, there’s more:

• 30-Minute Driving Break: a driver must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption.

No matter how you slice it...it's still more time refueling , so less time on the road...drivers don't refuel everyday unless needed...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Plus you figure in the reduced trucks/day refueled because of the long refuel time...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Website is being a d-bag with formatting, so I’ll continue here.
Your primary concerns about charging time resulting in lost driving time are showing as largely unfounded.
Jimi made a pretty valid point that if Amazon has done the analysis and are considering/utilizing EV, it’s for the savings.

It’s already proved that EV is environmentally advantageous. If it saves money too, win-win.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No matter how you slice it...it's still more time refueling , so less time on the road...drivers don't refuel everyday unless needed...

Trucks don’t run 24/7. If they are charging when the truck is already not being used, then no time is lost.
They ARE allowed to charge an EV while a driver is on the 10- hour break, and if a single charge lasts a full day of driving, they could actually be MORE efficient by eliminating the need to stop and fill up.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

so when you insult someone on the internets is very important for you that you meticulously spell and punctuate everything ever so correctly in fear of someone doing what you do?

pretty fukkin pathetic my dude

Nice try. I was taught young that if you do something, do it right so you don’t have to do it again.
And if doing it right takes no more effort than doing it wrong, even MORE reason to do it right.
I don’t care if you sweep floors in McD’s or run Amazon; you should always do your best.

Do you think that’s a bad way to act?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Truckers will be replaced with AI autonomous drivers, anyways. Who needs all these unruly humans to deliver products when you can just use an EV driven by AI?

Truckers will be replaced with AI autonomous drivers, anyways. Who needs all these unruly humans to deliver products when you can just use an EV driven by AI?

Good point.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Trucks don’t run 24/7. If they are charging when the truck is already not being used, then no time is lost.
They ARE allowed to charge an EV while a driver is on the 10- hour break, and if a single charge lasts a full day of driving, they could actually be MORE efficient by eliminating the need to stop and fill up.

So where is all the parking gonna come for this overnight charging to work...there's a major shortage of places for drivers just shut down for 10hrs right now...that's without those spots being ev charging capable...

It's pretty obvious that you have zero real world experience working with driver or companies that ship freight...just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it can right into the wild...we are a long way off the infrastructure demands ev hauling needs...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Package delivery is a much smaller scale the over then road freight...plus your talking about single entities revamping their own logistics...whole different ballgame when a single trucking business run freight for several different companies to several different companies...

I'm not saying it won't ever be feasible...we're just far off from it just theory at this point...

So that guy sticks to diesel while Walmart switches its fleet over and everybody wins.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

BUT with ev they'd be fueling "overnight."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

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Walmart runs its own fleets...with contractors bringing freight to distribution centers...and I promise you walmart won't go full ev until the infrastructure is in place to support it...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So where is all the parking gonna come for this overnight charging to work...there's a major shortage of places for drivers just shut down for 10hrs right now...that's without those spots being ev charging capable...

It's pretty obvious that you have zero real world experience working with driver or companies that ship freight...just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it can right into the wild...we are a long way off the infrastructure demands ev hauling needs...

Luckily we don't need to understand the infrastructure needed because the companies adopting ev will figure it out.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

BUT with ev they'd be fueling "overnight."

You guys make it sound like a driver just pops off the road and there's someplace to shutdown...without factoring in places that could have chargers installed...there isn't enough places for drivers to shutdown as is...and not all those places now are gonna be feasible for charging stations...if it was that easy to fix just having places to shutdown at, then the govt should've fixed that a decade ago...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

So you support the Azov Battalion?

Haha, don’t wanna answer this one?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So where is all the parking gonna come for this overnight charging to work...there's a major shortage of places for drivers just shut down for 10hrs right now...that's without those spots being ev charging capable...

It's pretty obvious that you have zero real world experience working with driver or companies that ship freight...just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it can right into the wild...we are a long way off the infrastructure demands ev hauling needs...

The same place where over the road truckers ALREADY park. Sometimes at truck stops. Sometimes at the warehouse they drive for.
Where do you think over the road truckers park now?

Your tone suggests you have extensive experience in logistics. Have you explained to Bezos that they are way off the mark in considering EV? You might be able to save them from a costly mistake.

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