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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yup, you are an idiot. There you go with your USA Average gas prices again. I paid well below the average. God damn, your brain is fried. Trying to tell me yet again what I meant or talked about. Trying to tell me I bitched about rising cost while ignoring wages... wages don't automatically increase with every increase in cost. Energy independent... CRUDE IS NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF ENERGY!!! You don't own your home, your bank owns it and you owe them money for HELPING YOU BUY IT.

Just FYI you may want to look into that number of 8mil barrels of oil used by us being how we produce more than that daily.

Dummy, if you paid well below the average during Trump, then you paid well below the average during Biden.
Unless you want to try to convince us that your region charges below average durin Republican administrations and then switches to above average during Democrat administrations?
That’s the only way your argument would hold water. Local price histories trail averages because they MAKE the averages.

Oil is not the only source, but other energies don’t “fill in” if there is a shortage. If we don’t have oil, you can’t just fill your furnace tank with electricity, or coal, or gasoline, stupid.

8MILLION is the difference between our USE of 20MILLION per day and our production capability of 12 million. That’s a deficit of about 8 MILLION barrels. A deficit made up by buying it from international sources.
You seem to think I can't remember stuff, but here is the explanation I have already given you, and did so recently. Why can't you remember the FACTS? It is taken directly from www.eia.gov:
"In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 million barrels of petroleum per day, or a total of about 6.66 billion barrels of petroleum. This was the lowest level of annual consumption since 1995."https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6#:~:text=In 2020, the United States,of annual consumption since 1995.
"U.S. crude oil production averaged 11.3 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2020, down 935,000 b/d (8%) from the record annual average high of 12.2 million b/d in 2019." https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=47056

I'll help you with the math- The BIGGER number is what we USE. The SMALLER number is what we PRODUCE. When you USE more than you PRODUCE, it means a DEFICIT (a NEED).
If you subtract the SMALLER number from the BIGGER number, it gives you that DEFICIT, or what you NEED.
18.9M USED - 11.3M MADE = 7.6M DEFICIT (NEED).
If we don't buy that 8 MILLION barrels of oil on the open market, we have a DEFICIT that cannot be made up by substituting other energies. Again, you can't fill up the oil tank with coal, or electricity, or gasoline.
That DEFICIT (NEED) must be filled by international purchasing. That means we DEPEND on others for the oil.

Can't really make it any simpler for you. If you think depending on international oil every day is "independence", you are very sadly confused.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Dummy, if you paid well below the average during Trump, then you paid well below the average during Biden.
Unless you want to try to convince us that your region charges below average durin Republican administrations and then switches to above average during Democrat administrations?
That’s the only way your argument would hold water.

Oil is not the only source, but other energies don’t “fill in” if there is a shortage. If we don’t have oil, you can’t just fill your furnace tank with electricity, or coal, or gasoline, stupid.

8MILLION is the difference between ourUSE of 20MILLION per day and our production capability of 12 million. That’s a deficit of about 8 MILLION barrels. A deficit made up by buying it from international sources.
You seem to think I can't remember stuff, but here is the explanation I have already given you, and did so recently. It is taken directly from www.eia.gov:
"In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 million barrels of petroleum per day, or a total of about 6.66 billion barrels of petroleum. This was the lowest level of annual consumption since 1995."https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6#:~:text=In 2020, the United States,of annual consumption since 1995.
"U.S. crude oil production averaged 11.3 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2020, down 935,000 b/d (8%) from the record annual average high of 12.2 million b/d in 2019." https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=47056

I'll help you with the math- The BIGGER number is what we USE. The SMALLER number is what we PRODUCE. When you USE more than you PRODUCE, it means a DEFICIT.
If you subtract the SMALLER number from the BIGGER number, it gives you DEFICIT, or what you NEED.
18.9M USED - 11.3M MADE = 7.6M DEFICIT (NEED).
If we don't buy that oil on the open market, we have a DEFICIT that cannot be made up by substituting other energies. Again, you can't fill up the oil tank with coal, or electricity, or gasoline.
That DEFICIT (NEED) must be filled by international purchasing. That means we DEPEND on others for the oil.

Can't really make it any simpler for you. If you think depending on international oil every day is "independence", you are sadly confused.

There... feel better? Did I help you get your fix of google searches and gobs of copy and paste? You're welcome. I said energy independent... I need you to attempt to comprehend this. I did not say CRUDE independent, nobody did. ENERGY INDEPENDENT... this includes more than CRUDE.

If I paid for gas under Biden at near the same lower cost that I paid under Trump, dummy, it is because that was the price when Biden was inserted into office where he then proceeded to undo all the good from the previous administration and the cost of gas has been going up and up and up since then. You cannot dispute that fact.

By the way, I didn't read all your pasted stuff. As I said before, I can search that stuff myself if I wanted to read it. How about you put down your own actual thoughts for us to read.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

There... feel better? Did I help you get your fix of google searches and gobs of copy and paste? You're welcome. I said energy independent... I need you to attempt to comprehend this. I did not say CRUDE independent, nobody did. ENERGY INDEPENDENT... this includes more than CRUDE.

If I paid for gas under Biden at near the same lower cost that I paid under Trump, dummy, it is because that was the price when Biden was inserted into office where he then proceeded to undo all the good from the previous administration and the cost of gas has been going up and up and up since then. You cannot dispute that fact.

By the way, I didn't read all your pasted stuff. As I said before, I can search that stuff myself if I wanted to read it. How about you put down your own actual thoughts for us to read.

You know they don't care. I don't think you do either (you know their game), but they're gone in the head. It's sad to see such hate towards you in the way they do, because it's not how grown men take accountability and keep it real. You're talking to clowns, and they'll just get back to themselves what they put out; many of ignorant and hateful folks like them will.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You know they don't care. I don't think you do either (you know their game), but they're gone in the head. It's sad to see such hate towards you in the way they do, because it's not how grown men take accountability and keep it real. You're talking to clowns, and they'll just get back to themselves what they put out; many of ignorant and hateful folks like them will.

They don't bother me. They think they do, but they don't. I am curious how many times Rob can say I said stuff I never said like it is fact. Or that good old I make a statement and he tells me what I really meant. Classic. lol

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

They don't bother me. They think they do, but they don't. I am curious how many times Rob can say I said stuff I never said like it is fact. Or that good old I make a statement and he tells me what I really meant. Classic. lol

The arguments they present are all just shit. They never get to the root cause of any problems. It's such a f*cking joke.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The arguments they present are all just shit. They never get to the root cause of any problems. It's such a f*cking joke.

Hard to get to the root cause when half the players don't even know what the problem actually IS.
And then there's YOU, thinking that COVID was all a plan to prepare us for Ukraine, and that the vaccine is giving our bodies magnetic properties and 5G capability...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There... feel better? Did I help you get your fix of google searches and gobs of copy and paste? You're welcome. I said energy independent... I need you to attempt to comprehend this. I did not say CRUDE independent, nobody did. ENERGY INDEPENDENT... this includes more than CRUDE.
Another failed sidestep. We can't be ENERGY INDEPENDENT while we are dependent on others for energy.
That's like saying you don't need food because you are on a liquid diet.
I have asked you to prove our energy independence. A Trump claim you have parroted multiple times. You haven't proved it because you CAN'T prove it.
Maybe YOU should spend some time looking up facts instead of listening to the big orange idiot. It makes you look the fool.

I'll ask again: How does a production shortfall of 8 MILLION barrels per day make us "energy independent" when that shortfall cannot be met by other internal sources of energy?

If I paid for gas under Biden at near the same lower cost that I paid under Trump, dummy, it is because that was the price when Biden was inserted into office where he then proceeded to undo all the good from the previous administration and the cost of gas has been going up and up and up since then. You cannot dispute that fact.
When you posted that claim, gas had not gone above the prices that it peaked at under Trump. Where did you buy gas that was below the average under Trump, then above the average during Biden?
Please tell us about "undoing all the good". Use facts relating to the economy. Like jobs, unemployment figures, real average earned income, etc.

By the way, I didn't read all your pasted stuff. As I said before, I can search that stuff myself if I wanted to read it. How about you put down your own actual thoughts for us to read.
Of course you wouldn't look at facts. You want to debate feelings when facts exist. My "thoughts" about the economy mirror the facts. Why would they be any different? I can "think" the stock market is doing poorly all I want, but the FACTS prove that wrong. i'd be an idiot to "think" contrary to the facts.
YOU might feel that your thoughts on math change the numbers, but that is not how it works.

Disregarding your THOUGHTS, what do you say to the FACT that we have a shortfall of 8 MILLION barrels per day in production versus use. Do you consider that a FACT that we are dependent on other sources to make up the difference? or do you think it just appears from the magic oil farm?


"I am curious how many times Rob can say I said stuff I never said like it is fact. Or that good old I make a statement and he tells me what I really meant. Classic. lol"
Anything I claim you said can be quoted from one of your posts. Most of the time, i DO quote your own words. Welcome to the internet.
So, you claim your posts are whimsy and metaphor to be interpreted as such, but you are upset that I am interpreting your whimsy and metaphor and telling you "what you really meant"?
You just tripped over your own feet again (that's a metaphor, BTW).

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

See, the more someone says to you the harder you argue. There is no proof to you other than what you site from other people if it fits your view. Want proof of this statement? Look at any response to a question you ask.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

See, the more someone says to you the harder you argue. There is no proof to you other than what you site from other people if it fits your view. Want proof of this statement? Look at any response to a question you ask.

So your feelings are fact, but the data direct from the EIA is not proof?

You are in just as much a fantasy world as Buck.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Senate Democrats prioritize radical abortion bill over aid for Ukraine | The United States Senate has returned from recess, and the first major item on the legislative agenda is not humanitarian and security aid for Ukraine's war against Russian invaders. Instead, Democratic leadership has scheduled a procedural vote for a radical abortion bill that would essentially codify Roe v. Wade into federal law. Democrats will attempt (ussanews.com)

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What is a "Radical Abortion Bill"?
And, didn't they pass a resolution on February 17th, before the broke for a week?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What is a "Radical Abortion Bill"?

Do you think we should keep Russians from going into Ukraine?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Do you think we should keep Russians from going into Ukraine?

Yes. Unequivocally.
I am an American, after all.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ahhhh, so you're one of those guys who posts meaningless crap as if it tells some secret story of evil.
Pictures much easier than words.

This should scare the shlt out of you, then:

At a February 16, 2017 press conference, Trump said, "And I can tell you, speaking for myself, I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia."

Another of his many baldfaced lies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busin... February 16, 2017,have any deals in Russia."