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[Kickstand Premium Member]

The way social media style virtue signaling leaks into real life is getting irritating. Life comes with risk. Leaving your house, or staying in your house for that matter, caries risk. There is no way to remove the inherent risk of life without taking freedoms at the same time. We took the right to murder away, but it still happens. We took the right to steal away, but that still happens. The only thing a lock is good for is to keep an honest man honest. Guns and gun violence aren’t going to go away due to any “common sense gun law”. The only way to eliminate gun violence, is to eliminate guns 100%. No half measure will do anything except stop law abiding/law scared people from owning guns.. That being said, what do democrat voters think the end game to gun control is for liberal intellectuals who look at the long game 20 years from now?

Did you ever have the "right" to murder someone?
That would kind of go against the Declaration of Independence
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

That being said making guns illegal or banning them is just going to open the door for the black market weapons to flood in.
Where there is demand someone will always find a way to get the supply
Especially when there is ton of money that can be made.
Look at prohibition, it basically made the mob/mafia what ever you want to call it
They money they made from that allowed them to become as powerful as they once were.
I don't think that the problem is so much the legal guns that are out there but more the illegal ones
Don't get me wrong, in some cases its legal guns being used.
I'm pretty sure that kid in Florida that shot up the school legally obtained his gun.
But for the most part its ones that are stolen or not registered that are the problem

 

[SlugButter]

Did you ever have the "right" to murder someone?
That would kind of go against the Declaration of Independence
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

That being said making guns illegal or banning them is just going to open the door for the black market weapons to flood in.
Where there is demand someone will always find a way to get the supply
Especially when there is ton of money that can be made.
Look at prohibition, it basically made the mob/mafia what ever you want to call it
They money they made from that allowed them to become as powerful as they once were.
I don't think that the problem is so much the legal guns that are out there but more the illegal ones
Don't get me wrong, in some cases its legal guns being used.
I'm pretty sure that kid in Florida that shot up the school legally obtained his gun.
But for the most part its ones that are stolen or not registered that are the problem

Although I agree with most of this, I absolutely do have the right to murder someone as we speak, if I’m prepared to accept the consequences. No one can stop me from trying prior to me actually trying. Your correct in the theory that you are protected from murder, but laws are punitive after the fact, as opposed to proactive before the action. Rights are technically for what the government isn’t allowed to do, not citizens. Freedom with punitive laws, or less freedom with proactive laws. That’s actually the argument on a macro level. Democrats want to remove levels of freedom to proactively stop crime before the action, ie: remove the freedom to own a gun to prevent gun violence before it happens. Kind of a “minority report” approach to the problem. Ironically, republicans have this same attitude towards drugs, and as we can see, the drug war is a failure. I believe that when government gets proactive, people die. Proactive government has killed more people in history than any other comparable group, and every single one of those government atrocities started with a promise to “help people”, then evolved into tyranny. No exception. History is clear to me that proactive governments are dangerous, and punitive freedom is the way to go.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Back in the day it was up to individuals to settle their own disputes. Often times that would end with one party dead. And it was legal. Yes, this was in the United States.

It also used to be ok to marry girls as young as 10 years old. Yup, in America.

Eventually, with enough people living together it was prudent to have some rules. These rules blossomed into laws.

Laws change with the times and situations. There are always people who want more of everything and these people sometimes become law makers. Greedy people don't want to lose what they have so they will make or change laws to make sure they can keep power or money.

All laws or potential laws should be questioned because greed runs this country and makes our laws. If there are people wanting to make gun laws or change gun laws then you have to ask yourself "What is in it for them"? I promise you, new gun laws aren't for the American peoples well being.

 

[shredder2]

street sweepers,
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street sweepers

I'm pretty sure you are the absolute worst posting on this site after reviewng your posts. You play in the middle of the street and as expected you'll get yours eventually.

Ever look in the mirror my friend?

I gots a street sweeper.... mossie etc and it ant some ar15.

I may have that but I also have a shotgun... potato man approved... thats my street cannon.

Biden and his people are not Amercan... fuk this thread.

Slo too

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I'm pretty sure you are the absolute worst posting on this site after reviewng your posts. You play in the middle of the street and as expected you'll get yours eventually.

Ever look in the mirror my friend?

I gots a street sweeper.... mossie etc and it ant some ar15.

I may have that but I also have a shotgun... potato man approved... thats my street cannon.

Biden and his people are not Amercan... fuk this thread.

Slo too

Don't let us get to you. It's level heads that we need to deal with the world today and to not become victims.

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

I'm pretty sure you are the absolute worst posting on this site after reviewng your posts. You play in the middle of the street and as expected you'll get yours eventually.

Ever look in the mirror my friend?

I gots a street sweeper.... mossie etc and it ant some ar15.

I may have that but I also have a shotgun... potato man approved... thats my street cannon.

Biden and his people are not Amercan... fuk this thread.

Slo too

Bobby is pretty much the village idiot. He doesn't read posts he replies to, and he likes to use irrelevant statistics, memes, and talking points.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

I'm pretty sure you are the absolute worst posting on this site after reviewng your posts. You play in the middle of the street and as expected you'll get yours eventually.

Ever look in the mirror my friend?

I gots a street sweeper.... mossie etc and it ant some ar15.

I may have that but I also have a shotgun... potato man approved... thats my street cannon.

Biden and his people are not Amercan... fuk this thread.

Slo too

I'm not sure what you mean by middle of the street and the mirror BS. I'm not out to take anybody's guns, and never said that I was. I have said that there could be better background checks and some stricter guidelines on private party sales. I'm glad you GOTS a street sweeper, enjoy it. I guess that you just want to accept mass shootings as a part of life in America, and that's fine if you do. I just think that we should try something instead of just giving up and telling people to get used to mass shootings. Peace! ✌

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

So how do you perform a better background check? Also, if someone wants to commit a mass shooting do you think they will just give up if laws are more strict and there are better background checks and they get rejected (serious question)?

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

I'm not sure what you mean by middle of the street and the mirror BS.

Playing in the middle of the street means eventually you will get hit.

Looking in the mirror refers to taking a good long hard look at yourself in the mirror and figuring out what you’re doing, saying, thinking, etc. (at least that’s my interpretation of it)

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

So how do you perform a better background check? Also, if someone wants to commit a mass shooting do you think they will just give up if laws are more strict and there are better background checks and they get rejected (serious question)?

I think some sort of a mental health check-up could be added to a background check. I know what I'm saying. One thing that I do know is, if changes aren't made, then, nothing changes. I've been in public shootings (3 of them) and they aren't fun. But, it sounds like every ody is going to marry themselves to the 2nd amendment, so, nothing will change. There won't even be a discussion on the topic. So, it sounds like we just have to get used to these mass shootings happening. Maybe, if people were actually in a public shooting, there perspective would change a little. If that's riding the fence, then, color me guilty.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

You didn’t answer my question at all. If someone wants to commit a mass shooting, what will actually stop them?

I understand your mental health check up suggestion but those can be easily fooled as well. And what would be the criteria to say someone can’t purchase a gun?

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

I think some sort of a mental health check-up could be added to a background check. I know what I'm saying. One thing that I do know is, if changes aren't made, then, nothing changes. I've been in public shootings (3 of them) and they aren't fun. But, it sounds like every ody is going to marry themselves to the 2nd amendment, so, nothing will change. There won't even be a discussion on the topic. So, it sounds like we just have to get used to these mass shootings happening. Maybe, if people were actually in a public shooting, there perspective would change a little. If that's riding the fence, then, color me guilty.

Who should pay for the psychiatric evaluations?

 

[Wicked-X]

I want to know why Uncle Joe doesn't head down to the border with Nacy Polosi, Man!

 

[Wicked-X]

Trump and Regan were extremely similar presidents. There ideas and policy. Check it out!

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

You didn’t answer my question at all. If someone wants to commit a mass shooting, what will actually stop them?

I understand your mental health check up suggestion but those can be easily fooled as well. And what would be the criteria to say someone can’t purchase a gun?

Nothing, I know that and you know that. It's the same question as, if someone wants to really commit ******* can they be stopped? So, your stance is that we do nothing? Status quo is fine with you? Just go into a gun shop, buy a gun, and leave with said gun. Because, that is our second amendment right, discussion over.