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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Perfect response for a teenage intellect.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I did and like Rob, you tell me I am wrong and act like you know better what I said and what I meant when I said it.

Either I missed it or it wasn't very clear. Can you redirect me to the post clarifying what really meant?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Either I missed it or it wasn't very clear. Can you redirect me to the post clarifying what really meant?

Why? You didn't get it the first two times why would you suddenly get it the third time.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Perfect response for a teenage intellect.

Show me the post where you definitively said you don't blow guys.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Conversing with Thxone always devolves into him throwing red herrings, hurling ad hominem attacks, lying about things he said, sidestepping/backpedaling/tapdancing.

That speaks a ton about who we are dealing with here.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Conversing with Thxone always devolves into him throwing red herrings, hurling ad hominem attacks, lying about things he said, sidestepping/backpedaling/tapdancing.

That speaks a ton about who we are dealing with here.

Sure does.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So lets examine what has led us to here:

Claims that permits weren't being used, so data is provided showing drilling is up 60%

"approved" and "used" are two totally different things though. He may have approved more, doesn't mean they are using more. Gas is still way higher than under that orange guy.

Claims that Biden was approving premits for land oil companies didn't want to drill. This forced Rob to explain how the leasing & permit process works in the US.

Gas was cheaper under Trump BEFORE the COVID and just because Exxon "and others" apply for specific lands doesn't mean those are the ones approved of by the government. You follow?

Then we have attempts to dismiss OPEC and Russia's role in global supply/demand/prices, which leads to "econ 101" on how the global oil market works and the explanation that the US oil industry isn't nationalized and is composed of multi-national/global companies participating in the market on a global level.

Look, **** all the conspiracy theory bullshit, the blame game, OPEC and whatever else you all want to bring into this conversation.

If we (America) are drilling more and producing more oil then why have gas prices been higher since the beginning of Biden's presidency? You want to say more is being done than when Trump was president but his gas prices were lower... why?

You gonna blame Russia, Ukraine, OPEC, Saudi Arabia, Antarctica...

Just want to be clear on what was said and generally double, tripled and quadrupled down on, which lead to some "expansive" answers to the questions and positions taken. Personally, I don't care if somebody was under the impression that the US oil industry was nationalized and operated more like Saudi Arabia's or Venezuela's. On a certain level those command economies make more sense, but that isn't the economic model the US operates under.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Good job on those quotes. I am glad you were so full of shit that YOU couldn't back anything up that you said. Troll.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So lets examine what has led us to here:

Claims that permits weren't being used, so data is provided showing drilling is up 60%



Claims that Biden was approving premits for land oil companies didn't want to drill. This forced Rob to explain how the leasing & permit process works in the US.



Then we have attempts to dismiss OPEC and Russia's role in global supply/demand/prices, which leads to "econ 101" on how the global oil market works and the explanation that the US oil industry isn't nationalized and is composed of multi-national/global companies participating in the market on a global level.



Just want to be clear on what was said and generally double, tripled and quadrupled down on, which lead to some "expansive" answers to the questions and positions taken. Personally, I don't care if somebody was under the impression that the US oil industry was nationalized and operated more like Saudi Arabia's or Venezuela's. On a certain level those command economies make more sense, but that isn't the economic model the US operates under.

Still didn't answer the question I put forth so all of this is pretty irrelevant and was not relevant to the question I ask. The question you and Rob avoided like the plague.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why? You didn't get it the first two times why would you suddenly get it the third time.

I may have passed over the post. I've seen accusations that I've misread something, but never "when I said xyz, I meant abc, that was typo, I didn't mean to imply xyz, etc" I'm offering to look at what you said in a new light but I need to know what to look at.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Still didn't answer the question I put forth so all of this is pretty irrelevant and was not relevant to the question I ask. The question you and Rob avoided like the plague.

And again what is the question that Rob and I have allegedly been dodging???

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

And again what is the question that Rob and I have allegedly been dodging???

If Biden is doing so much more for oil than Trump then why is gas so much higher under Biden? What was the magic that Trump was doing that gas was cheaper under him?

Don't give me this pandemic bullshit. That shit happened at the end of his presidency. How was gas so much cheaper for the entire 4 years Trump was president than Biden? Again, don't try that he inherited lower this and that from Obama either. If you want to stick to that bullshit then let's knock of the first and last years of Trumps run... let's focus on the middle two years, yup still way cheaper than Biden... so what's the secret? Why can't we just do whatever was being done under Trump?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If Biden is doing so much more for oil than Trump then why is gas so much higher under Biden? What was the magic that Trump was doing that gas was cheaper under him?
I never claimed Biden was "doing so much more for gas and oil than Trump". I simply have been pointing out all along that your claims and complaints that Biden sets the gas prices are simply incorrect, and provided proof why.
As was said, you decided to double, triple, quadruple (and more) down on your claims, insisting that you are correct and any fact to the contrary was a a lie as part of the "big conspiracy".

Trump's "magic" for lower NOMINAL pricing was multi-faceted. 1) He inherited lower nominal pricing 2) The pandemic that happened under his watch crushed nominal pricing due to reduced demand 3) Nominal pricing on almost any product rises over time. As does the income that pays for the product.
It's not "magic, it's "economics".

Don't give me this pandemic bullshit. That shit happened at the end of his presidency. How was gas so much cheaper for the entire 4 years Trump was president than Biden? Again, don't try that he inherited lower this and that from Obama either. If you want to stick to that bullshit then let's knock of the first and last years of Trumps run... let's focus on the middle two years, yup still way cheaper than Biden... so what's the secret? Why can't we just do whatever was being done under Trump?

Look at price history charts for gas. Look carefully at when the prices hit the level you are singing from the rooftops about. Do you notice that gas prices plummeted when we went into a national lockdown from the pandemic? Do you think that is pure coincidence, or that Trump woke up and said "We need to lower gas prices for the world today?" (that is not a rhetorical question. Go ahead and answer it).

You want the middle of Trump's run to be your basis of comparison? Fine. Adjusted for inflation, the price of gas in 2018 was $3.82 In 2019 it was $3.83. In 2021 it was $3.90.
That works out to less than a dollar PER WEEK for the average American driver (who drives about 259 miles per week).
Meanwhile, the average wage in 2018 was $52,145. In 2021 it was $60,575.

So under Biden, Americans are making $162.00 more per week (or 16%), while under Biden their gas price has gone up $.07/week (1.8%).
Tell us again how Biden controls gas prices and how he is destroying the country by making us pay so much more for gas. Remember to include the fact that he is giving us such a nice increase in wages in your explanation.

US national average gas prices.

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Learn how to spell kid. Spell check is your friend.

Sure, we can keep pointing out each other's small little insignificant typos. . . it's a fun game.

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]