I've set up some pretty descent budget systems for peeps low on the $$$ but wanting bass... Tuning of the enclosure and proper amp settings will really make or break how those subs will sound (At least in my experiences) They aren't the best sub by any means, but for the price, in the right enclosure with around 900 clean rms... They get down pretty well for around $100 per sub shipped... If you don't like em you should take a few pics & post em up on craigslist //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif