Why aren't more of you guys using horns?

[treylittlefield 10+ year member]

Have you checked the efficiency ratings on the compression drivers? They're all well over 100dB @ 1W/M. A measly 20 watts will make any of them scream.
I'm not trying to dispel you from using horns but I think you're gonna get in over your head pretty quickly with these. Horns take a lot of trial and error to get them sounding right. They don't require a lot of processing, but IMO I wouldn't even attempt horns without a nice 1/3 oct. dual band EQ.

thats fine bro ur jsut givin ur opinion //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif well what would be a good eq and could you link me to it?? whats the trial and error part?? makin sure they are right and the phasing is right and what not??

 

[treylittlefield 10+ year member]

here are the horns i was looking at..

http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/idstore/image-dynamics-cd1pro-minihorn-ultra-compact-competition-p-59.html

would gettin a pair of ID mids be my best bet?? or would finding some different ones be best?? voice your opinion please //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

thats fine bro ur jsut givin ur opinion //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif well what would be a good eq and could you link me to it?? whats the trial and error part?? makin sure they are right and the phasing is right and what not??

Off the top of my head an AudioControl DQS or DQT. Both would work, but the DQS offers 6 channels of EQ, the DQT only offers 2 channels, though you really only need the 2 channel to fiddle with the horns.

Horns are pretty picky about installation, as far as getting a good center image and good stage height. They need to be level in the vertical and horizontal axis, they also need to be even as far as distance to a single point. It isn't difficult, but I definitely wouldn't consider them a "set it and forget it" type driver. Definitely worth the work, but it can get a bit tricky.

Search on youtube for image dynamics, they have some good clips on horn basics.

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

It drives me mad, people will make fibergalss kicks, fibergalss A pillars and what not cause horns are too hard! WTF! 3 plumber straps and paying attention and you can eliminate all that work. A simple 2 way can and will sound as good as a three way set up. Here's the basics. Get the horns as deep under the dash as possible, get them as wide as possible, get them perfectly horizontal and vertical. THATS IT, how hard is it?

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

It drives me mad, people will make fibergalss kicks, fibergalss A pillars and what not cause horns are too hard! WTF! 3 plumber straps and paying attention and you can eliminate all that work. A simple 2 way can and will sound as good as a three way set up. Here's the basics. Get the horns as deep under the dash as possible, get them as wide as possible, get them perfectly horizontal and vertical. THATS IT, how hard is it?

Aubrey,

I believe when people say they are hard I think they mean hard to tune.

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

Dave you can kiss my you know what! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Hybrid Slybrid. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

It drives me mad, people will make fibergalss kicks, fibergalss A pillars and what not cause horns are too hard! WTF! 3 plumber straps and paying attention and you can eliminate all that work. A simple 2 way can and will sound as good as a three way set up. Here's the basics. Get the horns as deep under the dash as possible, get them as wide as possible, get them perfectly horizontal and vertical. THATS IT, how hard is it?

x2. Its not like people get perfect imaging and stage height by just throwing a conventional speaker in a door and being done with it. No matter what placement is important.

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

Dave you can kiss my you know what! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Hybrid Slybrid. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

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[treylittlefield 10+ year member]

Off the top of my head an AudioControl DQS or DQT. Both would work, but the DQS offers 6 channels of EQ, the DQT only offers 2 channels, though you really only need the 2 channel to fiddle with the horns.
Horns are pretty picky about installation, as far as getting a good center image and good stage height. They need to be level in the vertical and horizontal axis, they also need to be even as far as distance to a single point. It isn't difficult, but I definitely wouldn't consider them a "set it and forget it" type driver. Definitely worth the work, but it can get a bit tricky.

Search on youtube for image dynamics, they have some good clips on horn basics.

i've looked at some of those video's actually..lol and like one guy said i'm gonna make sure they are vertically and horizonally straight and get them the same depth under the dash and i shhould have a great starting point //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif if i got an EQ would i set my amp and HU settings to thru where the EQ would be doing all the tuning?? and was the above choices that i made in my previous post sound like good choices??

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

here are the horns i was looking at..http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/idstore/image-dynamics-cd1pro-minihorn-ultra-compact-competition-p-59.html

would gettin a pair of ID mids be my best bet?? or would finding some different ones be best?? voice your opinion please //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Nothing wrong with the ID mids, if you have the coin I would recommend the XS drivers. I always try to explain to people, do it right the first time. I do 100% understand that $$$$ can be an issue though. Always save up and get the best you can afford. If let's say you bought the Ultra horns and a set of XS mids you'd be set with nothing better on the market for many many years. I honestly believe the ID Ultras and XS mids offer some of the best sounding front stages available. Remember, your going to need an effcient mid to keep up with the horns and the XS drivers do just that. DO NOT be scared of the 5x7 or 6x9 drivers no matter what ANYONE tells you, I run the 6x9's in both my vehicles and love love love them.

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

Nothing wrong with the ID mids, if you have the coin I would recommend the XS drivers. I always try to explain to people, do it right the first time. I do 100% understand that $$$$ can be an issue though. Always save up and get the best you can afford. If let's say you bought the Ultra horns and a set of XS mids you'd be set with nothing better on the market for many many years. I honestly believe the ID Ultras and XS mids offer some of the best sounding front stages available. Remember, your going to need an effcient mid to keep up with the horns and the XS drivers do just that. DO NOT be scared of the 5x7 or 6x9 drivers no matter what ANYONE tells you, I run the 6x9's in both my vehicles and love love love them.

Let me ask you this Atsaubrey, if I went with the Ultra horns, would I be better with the XS69 in my kick panels or the XS57s in my doors in the stock locations? I though about just getting the XS57 comp set for the time being, and later add the Ultras and the processing to cross and tune them from the driver's seat?

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

Let me ask you this Atsaubrey, if I went with the Ultra horns, would I be better with the XS69 in my kick panels or the XS57s in my doors in the stock locations? I though about just getting the XS57 comp set for the time being, and later add the Ultras and the processing to cross and tune them from the driver's seat?

i'd go for the x69 in the kicks because at least there you could aim them better then you could with the x57 in the doors.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

It drives me mad, people will make fibergalss kicks, fibergalss A pillars and what not cause horns are too hard! WTF! 3 plumber straps and paying attention and you can eliminate all that work. A simple 2 way can and will sound as good as a three way set up. Here's the basics. Get the horns as deep under the dash as possible, get them as wide as possible, get them perfectly horizontal and vertical. THATS IT, how hard is it?

x3 to get a "great sounding" system you have to spend time and $$$ on it. if you go over to the ID forum and read other's ppls comments on horns you'll see it's not really that hard. out of the box you get awesome imaging and staging. it may not be perfect but it's there.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

here are the horns i was looking at..http://www.imagedynamicsstore.com/idstore/image-dynamics-cd1pro-minihorn-ultra-compact-competition-p-59.html

would gettin a pair of ID mids be my best bet?? or would finding some different ones be best?? voice your opinion please //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

trey like i said before that site is an old site. if your gonna get the horns get a set that is not discontinued. like the cd1ev3 or the ultra's. that site that your lookin at is woofersetc.com old id site. for now i'd just go to woofersetc.com and yes they may still list the cd1pro and the cd2comp but keep in mind that's old stock. and parts for repair may not be available since it's been discontinued.

 

[treylittlefield 10+ year member]

trey like i said before that site is an old site. if your gonna get the horns get a set that is not discontinued. like the cd1ev3 or the ultra's. that site that your lookin at is woofersetc.com old id site. for now i'd just go to woofersetc.com and yes they may still list the cd1pro and the cd2comp but keep in mind that's old stock. and parts for repair may not be available since it's been discontinued.

ah i gotcha so for a updated website just go to woofersetc.com and jsut dotn pay attention to the cd1pro or the cd2comp right??