Why all the JL HATE on here?

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

Here you go. TC-9 LMS 12".

Fs - 15.5 hz

Qms - 4.16

Qes - .589

Qts - .501

Vas - 154.5 ltrs

Cms - 461

Mms - 225 g

Le - .83 mH

Re - 2.8 ohm

Znom - 3.3 ohm

Sd - 490 sq.cm.

Xmax - 34mm

Xmech - 38mm

Sens - 80 dB 1W/1M

For the LMS 4000, sensitivity jumps to a whopping 83db, Qes is .497, and Qts changes to .4.

Some TC-9 versions have stiffer spiders leading to a change in Qms which has an impact on Qts, obvioulsy. Cms numbers start looking like 180ish or 160ish and Qts and Vas change accordingly.

 

[Ninja Primate 10+ year member]

Actually i stated MSRP in the post. I never stated actual selling costs or used etc..and http://www.audiojunkies.com/product/309/jl-audio-13w7-reviews 1100$ msrp. So i fail to see the bullshit i posted?
Of course no one ever buys or sells for MSRP but I stated that for both subs and i was 100% correct. And thats for a 13"..the AQ is a 18" And DJ is going to have them listed around 309$ once his old stock is out. Hm 800$ more for a sub that hardly sounds better if at all and takes the same wattage. Its pretty obvious that JL is just retarded but i know you agree, not going to argue bout it anymore.

You just proved your a failure at life. GO cut yourself please.

You said a 12W7 was $1200 MSRP. You posted MSRP for a 13W7, A more expensive driver and its still not $1200 MSRP. Fvcking moron.

 

[kfx450r 10+ year member]

You just proved your a failure at life. GO cut yourself please.
You said a 12W7 was $1200 MSRP. You posted MSRP for a 13W7, A more expensive driver and its still not $1200 MSRP. Fvcking moron.

Oh noes I e-failed lemme go cut myself. Sorry just gonna leave your rituals up to you. No need to rage so hard. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[memphisguy87 10+ year member]

I have own jl products they are decent but never impressed me at all so i won't buy another product of there's and the price on jl is not worth it.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

Back in the day I had a trio of 12W6s and 15W6s and they killed off of relatively little power by today's standards. Loud and low, sounded incredible. But now that I think about it, the construction of those drivers was cheap or cost effective, whichever you prefer, and they were still very high priced. They're lucky I was young then and seemingly had nothing better to do with my money.

 

[csu87 10+ year member]

Why is it that everytime JL Audio products show up on here, the HATERS all come out?
I always read here stuff like JL makes good stuff but is overpriced when they see a JL sub listed for $400-$500.

Funny thing is.. NO ONE DARES to say that a DD sub that's priced at $500-$600 is overpriced.

What a JOKE.

because a $500 dd sub will completely destroy a $500 jl sub:fyi:

any more questions?

 

[Crimson Boom 10+ year member]

One thing that pisses people off about JL is how rappers, celebrities, athletes, spoiled kids, drug dealers and fanboys rave about how loud they are when they are in fact not really SPL based, the beloved W7 CAN get somewhat loud and sound good doing it, but its not the the end all woofer its made out to be. Personally I would LOVE to have a w7, but not for MSRP, or even half of that. However, even then there are drivers that outperform the w7s in SQ and loudness while being less expensive. The w6 though might be the best sounding sub they make, and can usually be found for decent prices