Who is a real true SQ devotee and what does it mean to you?

What does SQ car audio mean to you

  • Building the biggest substage you can afford then figuring out what front stage can 'keep up' later

    Votes: 11 19.6%
  • Start with a plan, engineer the most balanced system possible so tuning doesn't become a crutch.

    Votes: 29 51.8%
  • Starting with the front stage and then incorporating a nice, loud substage

    Votes: 10 17.9%
  • Subs are a necessary evil that are useful but present tuning problems. Do just enough, but no more.

    Votes: 6 10.7%

  • Total voters
    56
All around, this is an interesting topic. SQ is an approach. It's the intent to assemble a system that excels at playing music. Before I was exposed to car audio, there was no other way to go about putting together a system, regardless of discipline. Whether one was oriented in High-End or HT, a system's goodness was assessed on the basis of its sound quality.
It's true, I haven't heard of a home system put together to pound the house down, or claims of bending the windows under the SPL of the home system.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif Yet it is an element of car audio.

Can audio is different. Here we have folks who compete using audio as the media. The quest behind gaining higher numbers and musical playback have very little in common. Hence, an actual discussion regarding SQ, when it's a given.
Remember car audio isn't just about competition. In fact a number of competition cars I've heard I wouldn't want to listen to for a prolongued period, purely because they've been tuned to perform perfectly at x frequency for track 5 of 'whatever' disc, because that's the way it'll be judged.

A SQ system can consist of very inexpensive gear, or it can have reference-grade components. The equipment is irrelevant to the intent. If one auditions several different $50 coax speakers with his favorite music, chooses the ones that sound best to his ear, installs them with care, configures the setting on his deck with clarity and resolution in mind, it's a SQ system. The concept can be taken much further, but the intent remains the same.
SQ to me is about reproducing music as close as possible to the way it would be performed 'accoustically' or at least live. It's about recreating a stage which is high and infront of you, with the tones of all instruments faithfully recreated and with positioning within the stage where different instruments and the vocalists can be recognised. However, it's also about adding certain colouring to increase the enjoyability depending upon your individual tastes - which is where choices of equipment come in as so important. I'm using an ODR HU, because of the colour it has when translating the optical signal into a digital music signal. I've a McIntosh amp running the mids and tweets because they can reproduce the tonality exceptionally faithfully but also have a warmth to their sound that I like. The speakers are Hybrid Audio Legatia L631V2 purely because they have an excellent reproduction with very minimal 'additions' to the sound, especially when the cost is considered. In fact I have put together a whole system because I've heard the component elsewhere achieve what I want to hear.

Finally, and most importantly, SQ is more about studying and using the science of how we listen and recognise sounds (Acoustics, Psychoacoustics and the like) to position and aim the speakers and produce sound at the right levels and timings to create the desired effect. This doesn't need expensive equipment, in fact there's a system competing in the UK very successfully which doesn't use the popular and expensive makes but still sounds exceptional. That's down entirely to the optimal use of installation skills, looking at location, direction, baffle materials, the speakers' required air volumes, installation materials and finally processing (crossovers, time alignment, phase alignment and to a much smaller extent equalisation).

 
Balance is subjective, SQ is always a consideration but what sounds bad to one doesn't to another.

The real question is whether you want a loud system that sounds good or a good-sounding system that gets loud.

 
All around, this is an interesting topic. SQ is an approach. It's the intent to assemble a system that excels at playing music. Before I was exposed to car audio, there was no other way to go about putting together a system, regardless of discipline. Whether one was oriented in High-End or HT, a system's goodness was assessed on the basis of its sound quality.
Can audio is different. Here we have folks who compete using audio as the media. The quest behind gaining higher numbers and musical playback have very little in common. Hence, an actual discussion regarding SQ, when it's a given.

A SQ system can consist of very inexpensive gear, or it can have reference-grade components. The equipment is irrelevant to the intent. If one auditions several different $50 coax speakers with his favorite music, chooses the ones that sound best to his ear, installs them with care, configures the setting on his deck with clarity and resolution in mind, it's a SQ system. The concept can be taken much further, but the intent remains the same.
Since this thread has run its course...

I'm just curious what your thoughts on preamps are...specifically active buffers if you've had a chance to try one. I go through preamp ADD, and I'm being tempted by a zero gain JFET design, seems like a good way to deal with impedance mismatches //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Since this thread has run its course...
I'm just curious what your thoughts on preamps are...specifically active buffers if you've had a chance to try one. I go through preamp ADD, and I'm being tempted by a zero gain JFET design, seems like a good way to deal with impedance mismatches //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I'm not a huge fan. While the preamps can have a great deal of transparency, I find that dynamics suffer. Mostly, the leading edges of transients sound softer, more dull. No matter how loud the system plays, a sense of impact is missing. I've heard one system that meshes well with a (buffered) passive. It was driven by a massive digital front end, the Krell Ref DAC with its 33lb PSU, but I've never heard an analog-based system that used such a pre without easily noticing its drawbacks. I guess, ultimately, it comes down to individual priorities. I haven't had one in my system in years for those reasons. I last auditioned a PASS unit that arrived with an Aleph3 amp. The amp was great.

 
Yeah, that's what I've heard from a couple people, especially running SETs. I'm running the monoblocks straight from the output of the DAC now, and it seems a little stressed running full tilt boogie.

I'll probably end up building a 6SN7 line stage or something, I've kind of gone in circles the last couple years...12AU7s, ARC SP-9MKII hybrid, AI Modulus 3A, now looking at something more minimalist //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
After I went to a MECA show I saw and heard some REAL SQ cars, "David Edwards (car wasnt running) and Ramos's car it was simply amazing. I really loved the way their music sounded but it didn't have enough bass for the rap/hip-hop stuff. Sounded amazing on everything else though.


It's all about the tune my man. My car in particular can be very bass heavy with a quick preset change. Not earth shattering loud or anything, it's only 2 10's with 300w each in a sealed enclosure ( i did a whopping 131.5 sealed up on tl lol ) . If you see me around at another show just ask me, I'll change to my beater preset and let you listen. I like a little bass every now and then

What does SQ mean to me? It means making myself happy with the way it sounds to my ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
It's true, I haven't heard of a home system put together to pound the house down, or claims of bending the windows under the SPL of the home system.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif Yet it is an element of car audio.
Apparently you don't frequent any HT forums as there are PLENTY of guys putting together systems that output insane amounts of LFE in the home //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

My modest system consists of 2 15" RL-P's each in 10cubes @ 18hz and I demo scenes in the 12-14Hz range and my house literally gets beaten to death. Just the way I like it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
What does SQ mean to me? It means making myself happy with the way it sounds to my ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I agree 100% with your definition as that's what I strive for, but how is that judged by others when competing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 
I agree 100% with your definition as that's what I strive for, but how is that judged by others when competing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Pretty good most of the time, but opinions differ quite a bit. In the end though, it's my car and my ears that it was meant for and that's all that really matters to me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Pretty good most of the time, but opinions differ quite a bit. In the end though, it's my car and my ears that it was meant for and that's all that really matters to me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
You definitely have the right attitude about it all, enjoy....

 
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