Who is a real true SQ devotee and what does it mean to you?

[FJF 10+ year member]

Correct me if i'm wrong (quite possible btw... ain't no sq expert at all), but staging is about recreating what a live band should sound like in front of you. Let's say the singer is in the middle, guitars on its left and drummer and bassist somewhere else...

now about rap... what

does a live rap show sound like ? from what i've experience in my life, all it sound like is big bass drowing the instrumental samples and highs in "excite" mode, with some half-drunk/high *****z trying to spit their thing over that.

Rap Music recorded in studio ain't that better. Nigz smokin dro all over the engeneering equipment, spitting whatever come out their coke'up mind with no regard for what music is about... clipping the hella out everything to make sure the track will be number 1 on the chart. How do you stage the mpc?

I love that, but c'mon, it won't make a system shine by any mean //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

oh yeah i might exagerated this a little, i love hiphop and the culture around it, but it ain't serious....

They might be some clean reccorded shit... it's just not what "we" ( talking about population in general) care about. Dr.Dre Chronic album from 1992 is supposed to sound nice being a rap album, but honestly, it's boring //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

The eagles live album, on the other end, sound hella clean and make the tweeters shine like no other music has, in my unbalanced system btw

This is just gibberish. I'd love to respond, but there isn't a single delineated thought to be found. The arguments are illogical, obtuse, and nonsensical. It's Diarrhea posing as text with a hint of racism tossed in for good measure. At least we can all rest safely knowing you're way too stupid to cause any real harm.

 

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

This is just gibberish. I'd love to respond, but there isn't a single delineated thought to be found. The arguments are illogical, obtuse, and nonsensical. It's Diarrhea posing as text.

good answer //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I love the diarrhea part. sign worthy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[FJF 10+ year member]

good answer //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

What else is there to say? Nothing you wrote made any sense.

I love the diarrhea part. sign worthy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

...figures.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

What I got out of that had mostly to do with multitrack recording techniques, and the issues of such "artificially staged" recordings...which of course isn't exclusive to rap.

I do personally like single or stereo-miked live recordings, but even if the bassist is in Cleveland and the vocalist is in Buffalo, the instruments should sound like they do in real life.

 

[RMF419 10+ year member]

I am in to the SQ myself, that is what I was attempting to build with my very first build. I think I did alright. It sounds very good. I was listening to Bill Withers and Earth Wind and Fire boy it sounds amazing.

 

[FJF 10+ year member]

What I got out of that had mostly to do with multitrack recording techniques, and the issues of such "artificially staged" recordings...which of course isn't exclusive to rap.

Of course, you're right. Outside of a few selected, audiophile-driven, minimalist recordings everything is multitracked, processed, shaped, and staged regardless of genre. Hell, even a small scale choral recording that we worked with a few years ago came down to 48 tracks, eight of which contained hall ambiance.

I do personally like single or stereo-miked live recordings, but even if the bassist is in Cleveland and the vocalist is in Buffalo, the instruments should sound like they do in real life.

When aiming for a "real life" sound as a constant state of the system, if you will, one assembles a rig laden with ever-present colorations that coincide with his idea of live sound. Given the vast variances in recordings, themselves, it's the only way for it to happen. There's certainly nothing wrong with this approach, but it's not indicative of truth to the source. The best we can hope for is the reproduction of a record as it was heard in the mastering studio. It's the final step in the artistic process and the sonic determinate. This said, once in a while a sound makes its way through the mix that sounds frightfully real.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

FJF is just mad.

And for bass, my 24 15s sounded suprisingly good when I left the volume down and played some regular music.

 

[FJF 10+ year member]

FJF is just mad.

Just a bit disappointed. I almost expect to hear this kind of drivel from middle-aged audiophiles whose (musical) blinders point toward sheer ignorance. I didn't expect to see just as mindless of a rationale come from a much younger, better exposed, less stern community. The racism surprised me more than anything else.

 

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

Just a bit disappointed. I almost expect to hear this kind of drivel from middle-aged audiophiles whose (musical) blinders point toward sheer ignorance. I didn't expect to see just as mindless of a rationale come from a much younger, better exposed, less stern community. The racism surprised me more than anything else.

I didn't mean to be racist, i ain't racist either.

I was just just using the own slang to put some emphasis on what rap is 99% about. I'm still open to more comments if what you read doesn't make any sense to you. I am not an engineer, nor a true sq'er, i'm still learning everyday...

but, to ME and probably most of the people here, rap just don't make a frontstage shine like any "uncompressed, well staged and unclipped from the reccording" tracks should sound like. What is rap about in the end? some bass line, some stretched sample and a snare, clipped to hell on the verse and even more on the chorus.

Also,dDo you know any rapper with a voice full of harmonics? Most of them are smoking blunt in the studios... most of their voice sound rugged.

Sorry if i've hurt your feeling, i wasn't attempting to be racist. I was just stereotyping what to me rap is about. I listening to rap everyday since over 10 years. I'm proud to say that i'm now looking for something else in music... rap can't be good all around you know

 

[FJF 10+ year member]

I didn't mean to be racist, i ain't racist either.
I was just just using the own slang to put some emphasis on what rap is 99% about. I'm still open to more comments if what you read doesn't make any sense to you. I am not an engineer, nor a true sq'er, i'm still learning everyday...

but, to ME and probably most of the people here, rap just don't make a frontstage shine like any "uncompressed, well staged and unclipped from the reccording" tracks should sound like. What is rap about in the end? some bass line, some stretched sample and a snare, clipped to hell on the verse and even more on the chorus.

Also,dDo you know any rapper with a voice full of harmonics? Most of them are smoking blunt in the studios... most of their voice sound rugged.

Sorry if i've hurt your feeling, i wasn't attempting to be racist. I was just stereotyping what to me rap is about. I listening to rap everyday since over 10 years. I'm proud to say that i'm now looking for something else in music... rap can't be good all around you know

Herein lies the rub. If you weren't so stupid, you'd see the contradictions in the text, and you'd realize that it only serves to underscore what was said earlier. I see no point in talking to you again.

 

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

Herein lies the rub. If you weren't so stupid, you'd see the contradictions in the text, and you'd realize that it only serves to underscore what was said earlier. I see no point in talking to you again.

so we can't be friends //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

whatever

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

Lol.. I don't really care that much about getting it sounding perfect in my car, I only have about $600 invested in everything but it sounds pretty darn good. Home audio on the other hand, I just found myself droppin $2k on a set of speakers, L/C/R. That is what I can rightfully pursue for SQ.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Center...?

What's the center doing in there...? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[FJF 10+ year member]

All around, this is an interesting topic. SQ is an approach. It's the intent to assemble a system that excels at playing music. Before I was exposed to car audio, there was no other way to go about putting together a system, regardless of discipline. Whether one was oriented in High-End or HT, a system's goodness was assessed on the basis of its sound quality.

Can audio is different. Here we have folks who compete using audio as the media. The quest behind gaining higher numbers and musical playback have very little in common. Hence, an actual discussion regarding SQ, when it's a given.

A SQ system can consist of very inexpensive gear, or it can have reference-grade components. The equipment is irrelevant to the intent. If one auditions several different $50 coax speakers with his favorite music, chooses the ones that sound best to his ear, installs them with care, configures the setting on his deck with clarity and resolution in mind, it's a SQ system. The concept can be taken much further, but the intent remains the same.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

I didn't mean to be racist, i ain't racist either.

Stop lying to yourself.