i agree.. if u r looking for spl -- go with audiobahn.. but if u value sound quality look else were.. my guess is that u have asmall budget.. so maybe some pioneers will fit check this linktrust me?? your an idiot...u have no idea wat he is looking for in a sub, so he might actually be very happy with an audiobahn. but, if you want some sq you should prolly look some where else.