For the price of type r's these days your not gonna find a better sub I see em on ebay for 90 shipped 160 for a pair atleast once a week if you can find a tc9 based sub for cheap grab it I got one for 125 shipped off the classifieds and I havnt found a better sub for that price yet... my secound setup was 2 12" type rs in a shitty prefab with 700 watts a piece and they slammed if you got the room id get 2 of them for 160...sry bout my typin im on my phone and don't really care about grammer lol