what you're motor oil of choice?

[95bat 10+ year member]

That is not "regurgitated" *LOL* Have you ever cut open filters? I have, Do you build motors? I do, have you read page after page of technical specs from both manufacturer and independant tests on oil and filters because you wanted to know what was best and find out why certain things are better? I have. If you think your fram is high and mighty and a decent filter, then the people that do know a thing or two are laughing at you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I do not need to write a report on why your choice sucks balls when there are TONS of tests done by car clubs, race teams, DIY peeps as well that you can read. I would not put a fram on a riding lawnmower let alone a car that I cared about.

So you're not regurgitating something you read on the internet, yet you're asking me if I read page after page of specs and tests? That sure sounds like you're repeating what you read.

To answer your other questions: No, I don't cut open filters. I'm sure you didn't either and are pretending you did when you actually saw a picture of it online. Next, yes, I build motors with my Dad when I have the chance to.

I usually see a brown to dark yellow sludge built up that coats everything. Very nasty. Have seen this with generic oils but penzoil #1

So you see sludge coating "everything" ... ? Alright, very nice and thorough answer. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

No they are not, they **** period. That is why most fleets use NAPA "wix filters" or dana wix for there fleets. Fram sucks.

I know Fram filters aren't the best. I'm not trying to make them into something they're not. I just said if you change oil regularly they're fine. I change my oil reguarly and use Fram filters because they're cheap. My car is just about at 100,000 miles with no problems at all. It is a GM car too, which is saying something. Regardless of the fact that you provided no proof that most fleets use wix filters, even if they did it is probably because their cars aren't serviced as they should be and a better filter is needed.

As for your talk about rotella, no idea. Never used it so I have no comment on it. But be assured if you saw a TV show promoting it then they are getting money to push it. I prefere not to go off of TV adds and what some guy on a car show says, would rather read the research, test for myself until somthing works.

I said "Hot Rod Magazine" recommends it so it is safe to assume I didn't see it on a TV show.

I am still waiting for your proof that Penzoil sucks. By "your" I mean something you can actually produce and not reference us to a link on the internet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I don't use that crap, but I'm still curious as to what solid evidence you can produce that will confirm why it is a bad motor oil.

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

So you're not regurgitating something you read on the internet, yet you're asking me if I read page after page of specs and tests? That sure sounds like you're repeating what you read.To answer your other questions: No, I don't cut open filters. I'm sure you didn't either and are pretending you did when you actually saw a picture of it online. Next, yes, I build motors with my Dad when I have the chance to.

So you see sludge coating "everything" ... ? Alright, very nice and thorough answer. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I know Fram filters aren't the best. I'm not trying to make them into something they're not. I just said if you change oil regularly they're fine. I change my oil reguarly and use Fram filters because they're cheap. My car is just about at 100,000 miles with no problems at all. It is a GM car too, which is saying something. Regardless of the fact that you provided no proof that most fleets use wix filters, even if they did it is probably because their cars aren't serviced as they should be and a better filter is needed.

I said "Hot Rod Magazine" recommends it so it is safe to assume I didn't see it on a TV show.

I am still waiting for your proof that Penzoil sucks. By "your" I mean something you can actually produce and not reference us to a link on the internet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I don't use that crap, but I'm still curious as to what solid evidence you can produce that will confirm why it is a bad motor oil.

Your a child and an idiot that works with his father and has no experience, that is my take. If you go to colledge to study, you read books to educate yourself, are you spouting out info you "read"??? And that means you do not know what your talking about? If you read online TEST reports on subjects, do you know nothing at all because you read the info? *LOL* I study things so I KNOW what the truth is period. Not just read one item and say it is fact.

Also yes I have cut open filters, Have cut open most likley over 100 on race engines. I have a 500squre foot shop I have dedicated to workwith with cars and building engines for a hobby *LOL* I also send oil in to have it tested on race engines that have failed and do a number of other things that are WAY over your head.

Also moron, I work for the largest heavy vehicle tracking system company on the PLANET, I travel from shop to shop nationwide hosting certification classes on 12V systems. I am in Maimi right now on a training from Az as I fly out nationwide and worldwide, have been to 11 shops in the last 12 weeks performing trainings with mechanics. I KNOW what they use and I know what large fleets stock. So stop the kiddy retard BS of trying to call me out as I have been doing this before your nuts dropped.

The only worthwhile thing you have said is "change your oil on a regular basis"

And as for Penzoil, Yes I find coked up engines quite often working on vehicles, and 99% of the time owners claim they have been useing penzoil. I ask them if they use penzoil as I can tell because it always looks the exact same. Not just black and coked up from not changing your oil on a regular basis, but yellowish nasty coke build up even if they change there oil on a reg basis. A lot of the time this crap is so built it that it is stuck to the bottom of the oil cap. This was not a 1 time thing, I have seen this in probably 10-12 engines at least in the last 5-6 years.

Do I claim to know everything on oil and filters? Heck no, But I do know from experience building motors and trying out what works and what does not, what works best for my applications and does what I want. My latest motor and turbo setup is valued at over $15K, most likley more than the value your last 3 cars, I would not put oil or a filter in it unless I was 100% confident in my choices *LOL*

 

[95bat 10+ year member]

More insults and still no proof... you are showing some real class right now.

I guess all I can really reply to is two things.

1 - I graduated from UC Irvine, number 11 public school in the nation and in the top 50 colleges in the United States. So I actually have educated myself from more sources than just the internet, like yourself.

2 - 500 sq. ft. is actually smaller than a studio apartment I lived in my 2nd year of college, which was 597 sq. ft. I think 500 sq. ft. will fit what... 2 cars with working room? Maybe 3 of you cram them side by side? That is very impressive.

I still havn't seen any proof other than "because I said so" and "reasons that are way over your head."

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

More insults and still no proof... you are showing some real class right now.
I guess all I can really reply to is two things.

1 - I graduated from UC Irvine, number 11 public school in the nation and in the top 50 colleges in the United States. So I actually have educated myself from more sources than just the internet, like yourself.

2 - 500 sq. ft. is actually smaller than a studio apartment I lived in my 2nd year of college, which was 597 sq. ft. I think 500 sq. ft. will fit what... 2 cars with working room? Maybe 3 of you cram them side by side? That is very impressive.

I still havn't seen any proof other than "because I said so" and "reasons that are way over your head."

As I said, i do not need to write a manual for you that is what search is for and you can learn yourself, your such a pain in the *** that even if I posted up tons of info, you would shoot it down as "internet hearsay" *LOL* Also the 500sq ft shop I spoke of stores my quads and is for engine building as a hobby. It has no walls, so yes, 25x25 feet of work area for engines and a couple of 4wheels is plenty big for a guy that uses it as a hobby, suprised you tried to attack that as well like it is not big enough *LOL* Sorry my little shop for my toys and building motors is larger that places you have lived *LOL*

Now overall penzoil has come a long ways over the years and I am sure there product is better than it used to be. But from my experience and experience of opening up my wifes I6 from her jeep after 100K miles of regular penzoil changes and personally seeing a LOT of engines that have run it on a reg basis, I find it to be CRAP. And that is all I need to know period. There standard oil is JUNK and I still would not use it in a lawnmower just as much as I would NOT use a FRAM filter on anything I own.

When there are items 10x better on the market for a doller or two more, why the heck would you argue it and act like you are making a good or reasonable decision?

 

[95bat 10+ year member]

25x25 is not 500, it is 625.

LOL this is getting fun now.

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

DOH, sorry typed the 500 as it was on the brain haha, was measuring last week to see if I had plenty of room for a 2 post lift and also my toys. A little under 500 is the usable floor space I have not including - shelves, benches, sink and such. Good brain fart catch

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Everyone has there die hard views which is normal, but after someone trying to argue for the sake of FRAM or Penzoil, my brain is fried and my time is wasted *LOL* Both are flat out garbage. Some people know there ish on here I noticed. Amsoil, is great oil, royal purple is decent stuff, mobile one is not bad either. But out of the groups I have my choice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif And my cars get syntec. As for filters, I only use pure1, Wix and if I have to mobile 1 filters. If you use these items guys, you will NOT go wrong.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

I use the wal mart brand and get the gallon, its cheap, and it works.

If i get some buildup just add in some lucas oil treatment //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The only time I bought pennzoil synthetic was when it was only $2 a bottle.

 

[ThomasG 5,000+ posts]

penz

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

92 today.........

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

Supa, the platinum stuff is not bad I guess, I am more speaking of the standard yellow bottle $.99 cent crap they sell. Same crap as the quakerstate oil and havoline oil. Just a waste of shelf space.

 

[ThomasG 5,000+ posts]

ive been using penz 10w30 i just went on 2 14 hour trips and my car runs like a champ with 170k on it

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

ive been using penz 10w30 i just went on 2 14 hour trips and my car runs like a champ with 170k on it

Of course your car will run with penzoil, I am not saying the second you put it in your rods will shoot out your block, engine will coke up and it will leave you stranded *LOL* Overall just a junk oil, and much much better available for the money.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

Supa, the platinum stuff is not bad I guess, I am more speaking of the standard yellow bottle $.99 cent crap they sell. Same crap as the quakerstate oil and havoline oil. Just a waste of shelf space.

Ugh, i never buy the yellow bottle. Wal mart junk> that.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

PennzOil = crap because it leaves a film in your motor /story

Fram = Crap, because they are very cheaply constructed and break/fall apart easy. Oh, and they don't really 'filter' anything...

 

[95bat 10+ year member]

*searches for another ridiculous topic to argue for entertainment purposes*