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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I can neither prove nor disprove it was natural, and absence of evidence is not absence of evidence.

That said, it has been investigated form both perspectives, and nothing has been found to indicate it was engineered. That leaves the other possibility: it was natural.
That's a standard method of reasoning.

If or when they come up with an investigative conclusion that it was engineered, there is no other option but nature.
I don't beleive aliens are here visiting us, so I can't blame them.

Other than man-made or natural, do you have any other suggested sources?

I’ve repeatedly posted information on it being gain of function, and it’s not hard to find information on that. You’re just flat out wrong that nothing indicates it was engineered. You’re the one living in a fantasy theory world, and whatever I share, you just call it conspiracy theory fantasy whatever. It’s ridiculous.

You calling me a conspiracy theorist over info showing covid was a lab made virus is just trash, because you can’t prove it came from nature.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Incorrect. Nothing is being shared with the public. What the hell is wrong with you??? Are you really just that damn stupid. You claim to chase fraud but apparently only people on assistance commit fraud. No government or government agency would commit fraud.

If nothing is being shared with the public, then you are admitting you have no knowledge of anything that has transpired.
It's speculation on your part, in the face of historical evidence that nature creates viruses and virus mutations, and has done so for millenia. You are blindly accepting your own conclusion in disregard of what is known as fact.
Occam's Razor applies.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You are a conspiracy theorist, which is fine, but just own up to it.

When did I ever deny that? Conspiracy theorists have been right about a lot, fyi…

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I can neither prove nor disprove it was natural, and absence of evidence is not absence of evidence.

That said, it has been investigated form both perspectives, and nothing has been found to indicate it was engineered. That leaves the other possibility: it was natural.
That's a standard method of reasoning.

If or when they come up with an investigative conclusion that it was engineered, there is no other option but nature.
I don't beleive aliens are here visiting us, so I can't blame them.

Other than man-made or natural, do you have any other suggested sources?

You can't say lack of proof that it's man made means it was natural. You're willing to accept it's natural without evidence to the contrary, but the rest of us aren't going ignore there was a lab right there working on corona viruses.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I can neither prove nor disprove it was natural, and absence of evidence is not absence of evidence.

 

[djdilliodon!]

You can't say lack of proof that it's man made means it was natural. You're willing to accept it's natural without evidence to the contrary, but the rest of us aren't going ignore there was a lab right there working on corona viruses.

I don’t think we will ever know the truth but my gut says that if China makes a move on Taiwan, I’m very confident magically the lab leak will become gospel!

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So basically nothing to do with the current conversation. I should have known.

It's funny how you demand proof of stuff that you think doesn't exist, then suddenly the proof is not important when it is provided.
Instead of tapdancing away, how about you speak to this? The post where I DIRECTLY answered you immediately.
You whine that your questions don't get answered, but then dodge and dive when they DO get answered.
Go figure:

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So I should do like you and start demanding that you prove it. Got it!
PROVE IT ROB OR YOU ARE JUST FULL OF SHIT.

Strike a deal: Prove you never asked the question before. We both know you have.
Is four posts enough for me to prove it?

Ahhh the old dodge the question gig.

You wanted a false statement of yours? How about six?
Regarding the SPR: "Biden's use was not legal"
Regarding mathematics: "average is only useful for lazy people simplifying numbers or for nefarious means"
Regarding female orgasm: " The female orgasm exists to stimulate ovulation."
Regarding electronics: "A mono amp CAN be bridged."
Regarding anatomy: "Get it right, there are no nerves IN bone."
Regarding law: "You said YOU prosecute people commiting fraud. If you are not an attorney then you lied."

All verbatim quotes of your words. All incorrect.

Tell me why I need to be in a group or do "hands on" investigating to be someone who does not blindly accept stuff. Should I follow you with closed eyes as I walk naively through life?

If you are upset that I just "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed, then logic dictates that you do not "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed. That leaves only one option: You performed your own investigations.

So, tell us about the investigations you performed, since you were not part of any of the government groups that investigated.
If you didn't do any, then you are demanding of others what you are unwilling to provide yourself.
That's hypocritical.

So before we totally go off the rails, tell us about your hands-on investigation that you did in order to not blindly accept info from someone else.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

When did I ever deny that?

You just said it's "my opinion" that ZeroHedge posts conspiracy theory crap - it's more than an opinion, it's a fact and you, the board's resident conspiracy theorist, is the guy always linking zerohedge articles. Can we accept that FoxNews is what it is, CNN is what it is and ZeroHedge is what it is?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It's funny how you demand proof of stuff that you think doesn't exist, then suddenly the proof is not important when it is provided.
Instead of tapdancing away, how about you speak to this? The post where I DIRECTLY answered you immediately.
You whine that your questions don't get answered, but then dodge and dive when they DO get answered.
Go figure:

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Strike a deal: Prove you never asked the question before. We both know you have.
Is four posts enough for me to prove it?

You wanted a false statement of yours? How about six?
Regarding the SPR: "Biden's use was not legal"
Regarding mathematics: "average is only useful for lazy people simplifying numbers or for nefarious means"
Regarding female orgasm: " The female orgasm exists to stimulate ovulation."
Regarding electronics: "A mono amp CAN be bridged."
Regarding anatomy: "Get it right, there are no nerves IN bone."
Regarding law: "You said YOU prosecute people commiting fraud. If you are not an attorney then you lied."

All verbatim quotes of your words. All incorrect.


If you are upset that I just "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed, then logic dictates that you do not "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed. That leaves only one option: You performed your own investigations.

So, tell us about the investigations you performed, since you were not part of any of the government groups that investigated.
If you didn't do any, then you are demanding of others what you are unwilling to provide yourself.
That's hypocritical.

So before we totally go off the rails, tell us about your hands-on investigation that you did in order to not blindly accept info from someone else.

So nothing to do with the current conversation.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You just said it's "my opinion" that ZeroHedge posts conspiracy theory crap - it's more than an opinion, it's a fact and you, the board's resident conspiracy theorist is the guy always linking zerohedge articles. Can we accept that FoxNews is what it is, CNN is what it is and ZeroHedge is what it is?

You can call it whatever you want, but attacking the sources of news I post doesn’t disprove what I share, nor does it means the information in the news I post is a conspiracy theory. Yes, it’s still just your opinion, and you and Rob are the only two who seem to have a problem with what I post, while most others on here don’t immediately discount everything that doesn’t say what you want it to. You msm media drones just use the labeling of me as a conspiracy theorist to discredit anything you don’t like. It’s easy to call something or someone as a conspiracy theorist to not actually have to debate information, isn’t it?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You know Rob, this is the statement you made to me to which I said you should have no problem explaining that and proving it.

RobGMN -

"You're avoiding meeting your own standards for forming an opinion that you just put forth."

I am not sure why you have shot off on the tangent you took.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I’ve repeatedly posted information on it being gain of function, and it’s not hard to find information on that. You’re just flat out wrong that nothing indicates it was engineered. You’re the one living in a fantasy theory world, and whatever I share, you just call it conspiracy theory fantasy whatever. It’s ridiculous.

You calling me a conspiracy theorist over info showing covid was a lab made virus is just trash, because you can’t prove it came from nature.

You've posted nothing but conspiracy theory and conjecture.
All legit evidence so far says "no".

I cam understand wanting it to be man-made, or making the conclusion because China is sneaky, or because Trump said so, but in the face of legit evidence that proves otherwise, it falls on nature. Just like viruses have for the millennia before Trump and conspiracy theory.

That's a standard line of reasoning.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You know Rob, this is the statement you made to me to which I said you should have no problem explaining that and proving it.

RobGMN -

"You're avoiding meeting your own standards for forming an opinion that you just put forth."

I am not sure why you have shot off on the tangent you took.

To stay on track:
You expressed anger that I just blindly accept info. If that bothers you, then you obviously have a higher standard. The only higher standard would be investigating and directly obtaining the evidence from the source.
HAVE YOU?

So, are you going to speak to the challenge you posted and that I answered handily?
If not, then you are saying your questions are meaningless and any future complaints of people not answering your questions should just be ignored.

And tell us: Do you want your questions answered, or does it not matter?
Also, please speak to the suggestion that I'm full of shit, and the multiple examples of false information you post:

• #17,444

So I should do like you and start demanding that you prove it. Got it!
PROVE IT ROB OR YOU ARE JUST FULL OF SHIT.

Strike a deal: Prove you never asked the question before. We both know you have.
Is four posts enough for me to prove it?

Ahhh the old dodge the question gig.

You wanted a false statement of yours? How about six?
Regarding the SPR: "Biden's use was not legal"
Regarding mathematics: "average is only useful for lazy people simplifying numbers or for nefarious means"
Regarding female orgasm: " The female orgasm exists to stimulate ovulation."
Regarding electronics: "A mono amp CAN be bridged."
Regarding anatomy: "Get it right, there are no nerves IN bone."
Regarding law: "You said YOU prosecute people commiting fraud. If you are not an attorney then you lied."

All verbatim quotes of your words. All incorrect.

Tell me why I need to be in a group or do "hands on" investigating to be someone who does not blindly accept stuff. Should I follow you with closed eyes as I walk naively through life?

If you are upset that I just "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed, then logic dictates that you do not "blindly accept" the results of investigations that others have performed. That leaves only one option: You performed your own investigations.

So, tell us about the investigations you performed, since you were not part of any of the government groups that investigated.
If you didn't do any, then you are demanding of others what you are unwilling to provide yourself.
That's hypocritical.

So before we totally go off the rails, tell us about your hands-on investigation that you did in order to not blindly accept info from someone else.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You've posted nothing but conspiracy theory and conjecture.
All legit evidence so far says "no".

I cam understand wanting it to be man-made, or making the conclusion because China is sneaky, or because Trump said so, but in the face of legit evidence that proves otherwise, it falls on nature. Just like viruses have for the millennia before Trump and conspiracy theory.

That's a standard line of reasoning.

See folks, this how a bullshitting troll works. Saying I post nothing but conspiracy theory and conjecture is a flat out lie.

Prove the virus is natural.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

That said, it has been investigated form both perspectives, and nothing has been found to indicate it was engineered. That leaves the other possibility: it was natural.
That's a standard method of reasoning

So who doesn't get into the lab til about year after it started...but you're willing to assume the investigations were given proper data to reach a conclusion?

To assume natural evolution is pretty close to lab leak considering only China really knows and China is not a friend nor does information flow freely from there...