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Dude, you are answering yourself. Put the pipe or alcohol down.
I also said in post before that, that I wear a mask everyday at work and that's fine, it's required. To appease all the pusssies basically who think COVID disappears magically with paper and or cloth mask and a vaccine with a seemingly endless amount of booster shots that somehow still hasn't vanquished this virus which is somehow "anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers named Karen's" fault.
 
Here are some facts. Want mask to work? Then make only N95 or better mask available and required. Anything less simply will not be effective against COVID virus particles which range from .06 microns to .14 microns. For those of you who always doubt. Here are some fabrics and their efficacy at specific micron sizes as well as multiple layers.


Better yet... make everyone wear Hazmat suits. Asssclowns.
 
The problem is everyone thinks the 2 layer grocery store bought masks work and they don't. You need a KN95 of some sort or a 3 Layer Medical Mask OR if you want to use homemade masks (my parents do this and there was a study last year that showed the results with the homemade built like this) Homemade mask that has the 1st cloth layer then a slot opening for certain filters (I would have to try and find them again as it was in the study as to what to buy) and the 3rd once again cloth. You replace the filter every 3-4 trips inside a store and the study showed it stopped stuff coming through down to and this was around july of last year so...but it was effective down to .10 microns iirc might have even been .09.

Bottom line is unless it is a KN95, 3 Layer Medical Masks which I use since I have friends on Fire Depts and what not and 3 Layer homemade Cloth masks with a replaceable filter and you wash the cloth masks of course when you replace the filter.

But people are cheap and believe the buy 20 2 layer masks at the local piggly wiggly or albertsons or krogers will do the job and they don't work for covid. The flu yeah they will help but not on the level those other masks will.
 
The problem is everyone thinks the 2 layer grocery store bought masks work and they don't. You need a KN95 of some sort or a 3 Layer Medical Mask OR if you want to use homemade masks (my parents do this and there was a study last year that showed the results with the homemade built like this) Homemade mask that has the 1st cloth layer then a slot opening for certain filters (I would have to try and find them again as it was in the study as to what to buy) and the 3rd once again cloth. You replace the filter every 3-4 trips inside a store and the study showed it stopped stuff coming through down to and this was around july of last year so...but it was effective down to .10 microns iirc might have even been .09.

Bottom line is unless it is a KN95, 3 Layer Medical Masks which I use since I have friends on Fire Depts and what not and 3 Layer homemade Cloth masks with a replaceable filter and you wash the cloth masks of course when you replace the filter.

But people are cheap and believe the buy 20 2 layer masks at the local piggly wiggly or albertsons or krogers will do the job and they don't work for covid. The flu yeah they will help but not on the level those other masks will.
To top it off they still pull it down under their noses. Pffft.
 
So, do they help or not? If you are in a room full of sneezing people do you want to be wearing a mask or not? If you pass somebody in the grocery store who sneezes do you want to be wearing a mask or not?
I have literally never been in a room full of sneezing people. You’ve also changed the argument. At first it was argued that masks keep your germs from spreading, not that the mask actually stopped the virus from entering your body. It was even argued that people who don’t wear masks “don’t care about their neighbor”. Are we now saying that masking does stop viruses from entering your body? Surgeons don’t wear masks so they don’t get sick, they wear them so tiny drops of saliva won’t fall into open surgery while working and cause infection. They have never wore a mask for the purpose of stopping an air born virus, yet liberals will still use it for their narrative. Masks might work, but the argument about it has went full retard, which is where the lack of trust in authority stems from.
 
Which types of mask, which respiratory viruses?
You brought up god. Show me a scientific study that says god is fake.
You are the one who doubts everything people say... how about you prove that my seatbelt fact is false.
Good for your "buddy".

For the record, I wasn't complaining about wearing a mask. I said they don't work the way you think they work. That's for damn sure.
They have tested everything from simple cloth masks to surgical grade masks, to full-on respirators. It's how they provide recommendations for use of any given type.
It's called the scientific method.

I brought up god in the context of people who will stick to a completely unproved and so far unprovable belief, but will fight tooth and nail against science (masks) because their leader told them that masks are for the weak, which then became some idiotic cry of "freedom" and "patriotism", neither of which has anything to do with science.

I have never claimed a god exists. When it comes to claiming god exists without any proof, it is up to the claimant to provide proof, not for everyone else to DISprove. When ANY type of claim is made, it is incumbent upon the person making the claim to back it up if they expect that claim to be believed.
You made a claim about how seatbelts work. Show something to prove it, or it's nothing more than a feeling, opinion, faith, belief.
This is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, you will say you don't CARE who believes what YOU believe, but this is a case where there are societal impact from your beliefs. It's not a case of whether you think chocolate is better than vanilla, it's a case of public health and whether wearing masks may help the public in a time of crisis (yes, it's "only" 1%, but 700,000 dead from a novel virus is a bit of a problem).
Masks have been accepted (and proved) as a way to slow or prevent the spread of disease since the 1900's or before. It is only since Trump said they are for the "weak" that there has been question of their efficacy. A man with no medical training whatsoever turns a "medical device" (for lack of a better term) into a statement of strong vs. weak, and his followers (who also have no medical training) hop on the bandwagon.

Imagine if he said "chemotherapy is for the weak". I GUARANTEE there would be followers who would die of cancer instead of getting treatment. I can guarantee it b/c people DIED from taking an untested and unproved drug based on his lie of personal use and success, and people are fighting masks based on his claim of being "weak" by using one.
Certain people don't CARE about science when it goes against their beliefs.

*I* am not "thinking" how masks work. *I* am trusting in the experts who have done scientific studies to prove it. The same way I can say chemotherapy works without having tested it myself. The experts have done the hard work. I can refer to the results of their work and state those results. I can do the same about the solar system, about Ohm's law, about gravity (thanks, Newton), about an electric filament glowing in a vacuum chamber, liquid crystal displays, relativity, and a host of other things.
All stuff that has been proved.
If I want to disagree with it, then I get to PROVE my alternate theory. Beliefs, feelings, faith, opinions have never been proof of anything, and they certainly cannot be used to disprove something that HAS been proved.

It's how it is.

Here's just one study that is fairly recent. They used things like laser light scattering chambers and "portable isolation box attached to an Andersen Sampler and used to measure orally expelled bacterial contaminants before and after masking to measure the air."
"Multiple simulation studies show the filtration effects of cloth masks relative to surgical masks. Generally available household materials had between a 58% and 94% filtration rate for 1-μm bacteria particles, whereas surgical masks filtered 96% of those particles
. COVID is 32μm.
A tea cloth mask was found to filter 60% of particles between 0.02 μm and 1 μm, where surgical masks filtered 75%.
COVID is 32 to 3200x bigger that level of filtration.

Buck will post a YouTube video of a guy exhaling with a mask on outdoors in cold weather and say the YouTube "study" is accurate, but this one is bogus.
Others will read this study and say "masks don't work", and KNOW that they are right.

Beliefs vs science.

 
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They have tested everything from simple cloth masks to surgical grade masks, to full-on respirators. It's how they provide recommendations for use of any given type.
It's called the scientific method.

I brought up god in the context of people who will stick to a completely unproved and so far unprovable belief, but will fight tooth and nail against science (masks) because their leader told them that masks are for the weak, which then became some idiotic cry of "freedom" and "patriotism", neither of which has anything to do with science.

I have never claimed a god exists. When it comes to claiming god exists without any proof, it is up to the claimant to provide proof, not for everyone else to DISprove. When ANY type of claim is made, it is incumbent upon the person making the claim to back it up if they expect that claim to be believed.
You made a claim about how seatbelts work. Show something to prove it, or it's nothing more than a feeling, opinion, faith, belief.
This is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, you will say you don't CARE who believes what YOU believe, but this is a case where there are societal impact from your beliefs. It's not a case of whether you think chocolate is better than vanilla, it's a case of public health and whether wearing masks may help the public in a time of crisis (yes, it's "only" 1%, but 700,000 dead from a novel virus is a bit of a problem).
Masks have been accepted (and proved) as a way to slow or prevent the spread of disease since the 1900's or before. It is only since Trump said they are for the "weak" that there has been question of their efficacy. A man with no medical training whatsoever turns a "medical device" (for lack of a better term) into a statement of strong vs. weak, and his followers (who also have no medical training) hop on the bandwagon.

Imagine if he said "chemotherapy is for the weak". I GUARANTEE there would be followers who would die of cancer instead of getting treatment. I can guarantee it b/c people DIED from taking an untested and unproved drug based on his lie of personal use and success, and people are fighting masks based on his claim of being "weak" by using one.
Certain people don't CARE about science when it goes against their beliefs.

*I* am not "thinking" how masks work. *I* am trusting in the experts who have done scientific studies to prove it. The same way I can say chemotherapy works without having tested it myself. The experts have done the hard work. I can refer to the results of their work and state those results. I can do the same about the solar system, about Ohm's law, about gravity (thanks, Newton), about an electric filament glowing in a vacuum chamber, liquid crystal displays, relativity, and a host of other things.
All stuff that has been proved.
If I want to disagree with it, then I get to PROVE my alternate theory. Beliefs, feelings, faith, opinions have never been proof of anything, and they certainly cannot be used to disprove something that HAS been proved.

It's how it is.

Here's just one study that is fairly recent. They used things like laser light scattering chambers and "portable isolation box attached to an Andersen Sampler and used to measure orally expelled bacterial contaminants before and after masking to measure the air."
Buck will post a YouTube video of a guy exhaling with a mask on outdoors in cold weather and say the YouTube "study" is accurate, but this one is bogus.

Beliefs vs science.

So basically if someone, anyone, speaks to you or in your viewing area and makes a claim, statement or opinion you then demand that they provide proof to you of their claim to which you will ignore anyway, find your own facts that fit your view then argue with them and tell them how wrong they are for daring to make a claim in your presence. Yeah, we get it Rob. You have an agenda. You're not interested in all the facts, just the ones you think help you argue.
 
So basically if someone, anyone, speaks to you or in your viewing area and makes a claim, statement or opinion you then demand that they provide proof to you of their claim to which you will ignore anyway, find your own facts that fit your view then argue with them and tell them how wrong they are for daring to make a claim in your presence. Yeah, we get it Rob. You have an agenda. You're not interested in all the facts, just the ones you think help you argue.

Don't you like how nobody can refute the vaccines are killing more people than all other vaccines combined in history based of CDC VAERS data?
 
This is the real Omicron

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Don't you like how nobody can refute the vaccines are killing more people than all other vaccines combined in history based of CDC VAERS data?
It baffles me that people want to argue on a forum when someone says something but if it said by the government they accept it as being for the good of all mankind then they will go out of their way to find facts to support their choice to support their political party. They then believe all other facts brought forth are propaganda or misinformation to smear the opposing political party.

Since when did MY health become a "political" topic?

Since when did MY health become something the government controls?

Since when does the government think they can force ME to take something that is killing people?

Like the lottery, gambling is a risk. Just like taking this vaccine and its required boosters. Just because you play...

If you have been vaccinated and wear mask and you believe these things prevent COVID then yeehaww, you have NO REASON to worry about if anyone chooses to not wear a mask or not be vaccinated with the COVID "vaccine" or its required boosters. Just let these people die off if that is what you think will happen or is needed. You're vaccinated and wear a mask... you are twice as immune... right? Go, live your lives free from the burden of COVID.
 
It baffles me that people want to argue on a forum when someone says something but if it said by the government they accept it as being for the good of all mankind then they will go out of their way to find facts to support their choice to support their political party. They then believe all other facts brought forth are propaganda or misinformation to smear the opposing political party.

Since when did MY health become a "political" topic?

Since when did MY health become something the government controls?

Since when does the government think they can force ME to take something that is killing people?

Like the lottery, gambling is a risk. Just like taking this vaccine and its required boosters. Just because you play...

If you have been vaccinated and wear mask and you believe these things prevent COVID then yeehaww, you have NO REASON to worry about if anyone chooses to not wear a mask or not be vaccinated with the COVID "vaccine" or its required boosters. Just let these people die off if that is what you think will happen or is needed. You're vaccinated and wear a mask... you are twice as immune... right? Go, live your lives free from the burden of COVID.

Why are the vaccinated people the most afraid when they're the most medically treated? 👀 :ROFLMAO:
 
The problem is everyone thinks the 2 layer grocery store bought masks work and they don't. You need a KN95 of some sort or a 3 Layer Medical Mask OR if you want to use homemade masks (my parents do this and there was a study last year that showed the results with the homemade built like this) Homemade mask that has the 1st cloth layer then a slot opening for certain filters (I would have to try and find them again as it was in the study as to what to buy) and the 3rd once again cloth. You replace the filter every 3-4 trips inside a store and the study showed it stopped stuff coming through down to and this was around july of last year so...but it was effective down to .10 microns iirc might have even been .09.

Bottom line is unless it is a KN95, 3 Layer Medical Masks which I use since I have friends on Fire Depts and what not and 3 Layer homemade Cloth masks with a replaceable filter and you wash the cloth masks of course when you replace the filter.

But people are cheap and believe the buy 20 2 layer masks at the local piggly wiggly or albertsons or krogers will do the job and they don't work for covid. The flu yeah they will help but not on the level those other masks will.
Piggly Wiggly still exist? I haven't seen one of those since I was a kid.
 
It baffles me that people want to argue on a forum when someone says something but if it said by the government they accept it as being for the good of all mankind then they will go out of their way to find facts to support their choice to support their political party. They then believe all other facts brought forth are propaganda or misinformation to smear the opposing political party.

Since when did MY health become a "political" topic?
When Trump turned it into a political topic. AND, this pandemic is not just YOUR health. It's SOCIETY"S health that is under fire. Living in society means society works for the good of society. If this is not of interest to someone, they should not be in society.
I'll simplify: You are in Boy Scouts but don't want to do the fundraisers that everyone else is doing for the activities? Probably not the club for you.


Since when did MY health become something the government controls?
Since long before you were born, and probably long after (I assume by "my" you are talking in the sense of all individuals). Your childhood shots were mandated by the government. The food you eat is kept safe through government mandate. The medicine you take is kept safe. Your job safety. General medical care. Your parent having to provide for you and get you medical care if sick. Your ability to sue for medical malpractice. Driving a car that meets government-mandated standards. Utility companies being required to keep your heat on even when you can't pay for it. Safety measure to prevent lead in the paint chips you eat. That table saw is built to meet electrical code so you don;t get dead by plugging it in.
Government mandate after government mandate.


Since when does the government think they can force ME to take something that is killing people?
See above. This was not an issue until this pandemic. We can trace the source of the issue if we like, but I'm pretty sure we all already know.

Like the lottery, gambling is a risk. Just like taking this vaccine and its required boosters. Just because you play...
It's interesting that the anti-mask/anti-vax folks were arguing that COVID was a non-issue because it had a 99% survival rate and killed 700,000 people, but claim that a .0022% rate of death from vaccination is a major risk. That's 10,000 dead from 459 MILLION doses.
A survival rate of 99.9978% survival rate. 454 times BETTER than the COVID survival rate.
If you want to use the survival rate of COVID to support your argument, you might want to avoid the vax argument, because the vax survival rate is FAR better.


If you have been vaccinated and wear mask and you believe these things prevent COVID then yeehaww, you have NO REASON to worry about if anyone chooses to not wear a mask or not be vaccinated with the COVID "vaccine" or its required boosters. Just let these people die off if that is what you think will happen or is needed. You're vaccinated and wear a mask... you are twice as immune... right? Go, live your lives free from the burden of COVID.

Stop conflating beliefs and facts. I don't "believe" these things. They are already proved by scientific method. BELIEF is when you have the facts and proofs, but claim they are wrong without being able to provide contradicting facts and proofs.

I would be happy to let the stupid ones die off, except they keep helping to spread this by playing it stupid in society. You want to be a drunk and die? Go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society. You want to be Typhoid Mary? Fine; go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society.

Your rights and freedoms end when they infringe on the rights and freedoms of others. It's really funny how so many "patriots" and "freedom fighters" really have no fvcking clue how freedoms and rights actually work in a society.


You did a nice filibuster to get away from the question, but are you going to provide legitimate studies that show masks do not or cannot work in preventing the spread of respiratory illness?
Maybe something using the same strict testing protocols mentioned in the study I linked to, and not "I wore a mask and got sick", or "I saw a YouTube video where a guy exhaled two ounces of vape juice into his mask"?
The vape juice that's not FDA approved or controlled in any way (ironically).
 
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