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[ThxOne Premium Member]

It baffles me that people want to argue on a forum when someone says something but if it said by the government they accept it as being for the good of all mankind then they will go out of their way to find facts to support their choice to support their political party. They then believe all other facts brought forth are propaganda or misinformation to smear the opposing political party.

Since when did MY health become a "political" topic?
When Trump turned it into a political topic. AND, this pandemic is not just YOUR health. It's SOCIETY"S health that is under fire. Living in society means society works for the good of society. If this is not of interest to someone, they should not be in society.
I'll simplify: You are in Boy Scouts but don't want to do the fundraisers that everyone else is doing for the activities? Probably not the club for you.

Since when did MY health become something the government controls?
Since long before you were born, and probably long after (I assume by "my" you are talking in the sense of all individuals). Your childhood shots were mandated by the government. The food you eat is kept safe through government mandate. The medicine you take is kept safe. Your job safety. General medical care. Your parent having to provide for you and get you medical care if sick. Your ability to sue for medical malpractice. Driving a car that meets government-mandated standards. Utility companies being required to keep your heat on even when you can't pay for it. Safety measure to prevent lead in the paint chips you eat. That table saw is built to meet electrical code so you don;t get dead by plugging it in.
Government mandate after government mandate.

Since when does the government think they can force ME to take something that is killing people?
See above. This was not an issue until this pandemic. We can trace the source of the issue if we like, but I'm pretty sure we all already know.

Like the lottery, gambling is a risk. Just like taking this vaccine and its required boosters. Just because you play...
It's interesting that the anti-mask/anti-vax folks were arguing that COVID was a non-issue because it had a 99% survival rate and killed 700,000 people, but claim that a .0022% rate of death from vaccination is a major risk. That's 10,000 dead from 459 MILLION doses.
A survival rate of 99.9978% survival rate. 454 times BETTER than the COVID survival rate.
If you want to use the survival rate of COVID to support your argument, you might want to avoid the vax argument, because the vax survival rate is FAR better.

If you have been vaccinated and wear mask and you believe these things prevent COVID then yeehaww, you have NO REASON to worry about if anyone chooses to not wear a mask or not be vaccinated with the COVID "vaccine" or its required boosters. Just let these people die off if that is what you think will happen or is needed. You're vaccinated and wear a mask... you are twice as immune... right? Go, live your lives free from the burden of COVID.

Stop conflating beliefs and facts. I don't "believe" these things. They are already proved by scientific method. BELIEF is when you have the facts and proofs, but claim they are wrong without being able to provide contradicting facts and proofs.

I would be happy to let the stupid ones die off, except they keep helping to spread this by playing it stupid in society. You want to be a drunk and die? Go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society. You want to be Typhoid Mary? Fine; go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society.

Your rights and freedoms end when they infringe on the rights and freedoms of others. It's really funny how so many "patriots" and "freedom fighters" really have no fvcking clue how freedoms and rights actually work in a society.

You did a nice filibuster to get away from the question, but are you going to provide legitimate studies that show masks do not or cannot work in preventing the spread of respiratory illness?
Maybe something using the same strict testing protocols mentioned in the study I linked to, and not "I wore a mask and got sick", or "I saw a YouTube video where a guy exhaled two ounces of vape juice into his mask"?
The vape juice that's not FDA approved or controlled in any way (ironically).

You make me laugh sometimes RobGMN.

So apparently there are NO individuals in society. One's individual rights are null and void when the government... and Rob say so. What is a society called when there are no individuals? Here we go with it's Trumps fault again. Those "Government Mandates" you rattled off... you think those happened because of the government? Really? Are you really that dense? All the government did was put things into law. Laws that were brought about for reasons that had nothing to do with government. You think parents caring for their child is because it's mandated by the government??? People have been caring for and raising their kids LONG before government got their sticky little fingers in there and long before government came to be. You say 10,000 dead from the vaccine... now, how many are having major to minor health side effects? I posted a link for several types of materials and with more than one layer to show efficacy of mask and the materials used. Are you ignoring that link? Hmmm? Are you???

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You make me laugh sometimes RobGMN.

So apparently there are NO individuals in society. One's individual rights are null and void when the government... and Rob say so. What is a society called when there are no individuals? Here we go with it's Trumps fault again. Those "Government Mandates" you rattled off... you think those happened because of the government? Really? Are you really that dense? All the government did was put things into law. Laws that were brought about for reasons that had nothing to do with government. You think parents caring for their child is because it's mandated by the government??? People have been caring for and raising their kids LONG before government got their sticky little fingers in there and long before government came to be. You say 10,000 dead from the vaccine... now, how many are having major to minor health side effects? I posted a link for several types of materials and with more than one layer to show efficacy of mask and the materials used. Are you ignoring that link? Hmmm? Are you???

1. Do you live in the United States?
2. Are all of my examples of the gov't being involved in your personal health incorrect?
3. Pages get filled so fast, I did not see the link your posted, but have now clicked it. It brings me to a website trying to sell me stuff and wants to put trackers on my PC that cannot be deactivated, but the page I land on says "the 100% cotton t-shirt (one layer) offers "only" 69% protection".

69% is NOT "no efficacy" or "does nothing" or "not useful". If you notice, they put quotes around the word only. Kind of like Warren Buffet saying "Jeff "only" has $90M to his name. Poor fellow." It's a sarcastic "only".
If your reference point says that a simple tee shirt can have 69% efficacy, why would you insist that masks don't work, as you have done? You literally disproved your own argument.
Makes no sense.

Here are the AEFIs for some common vaccines. Far worse than the COVID vaccine.
Where's the outcry? Bring back Polio so we can avoid adverse reactions in .0000013% of the people who are vaccinated! Bring back measles so we can avoid reactions in .000001% of those who get the jab!
Freedoms! Human rights! Patriotism!

OPV (oral polio vaccine)	1 in 2–3 million doses (or 1 in 750 000 doses for the first dose)
Measles	1 in 1 million doses
DTP	1 in 750 000 doses

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Do you people just use your browsers how they come or do you only use phones to surf the web? There are adblock apps and other apps that keep hijacking websites and ads at bay.

Why do you keep falling back on 100 year old shit? Polio, measles...

The point is that mask don't block 100% and if it doesn't block 100% it is not effective.
The COVID "vaccine" does not prevent COVID 100% so it is not effective either.
You can still die with the "vaccine" you can still die from the boosters. You can also get side effects.
You can go unvaxxed and still live and not have "vaccine" and booster side effects.
Either CHOICE can still lead to death. Guess what, it's our choice, not yours, not theirs.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

It baffles me that people want to argue on a forum when someone says something but if it said by the government they accept it as being for the good of all mankind then they will go out of their way to find facts to support their choice to support their political party. They then believe all other facts brought forth are propaganda or misinformation to smear the opposing political party.

Since when did MY health become a "political" topic?
When Trump turned it into a political topic. AND, this pandemic is not just YOUR health. It's SOCIETY"S health that is under fire. Living in society means society works for the good of society. If this is not of interest to someone, they should not be in society.
I'll simplify: You are in Boy Scouts but don't want to do the fundraisers that everyone else is doing for the activities? Probably not the club for you.

Since when did MY health become something the government controls?
Since long before you were born, and probably long after (I assume by "my" you are talking in the sense of all individuals). Your childhood shots were mandated by the government. The food you eat is kept safe through government mandate. The medicine you take is kept safe. Your job safety. General medical care. Your parent having to provide for you and get you medical care if sick. Your ability to sue for medical malpractice. Driving a car that meets government-mandated standards. Utility companies being required to keep your heat on even when you can't pay for it. Safety measure to prevent lead in the paint chips you eat. That table saw is built to meet electrical code so you don;t get dead by plugging it in.
Government mandate after government mandate.

Since when does the government think they can force ME to take something that is killing people?
See above. This was not an issue until this pandemic. We can trace the source of the issue if we like, but I'm pretty sure we all already know.

Like the lottery, gambling is a risk. Just like taking this vaccine and its required boosters. Just because you play...
It's interesting that the anti-mask/anti-vax folks were arguing that COVID was a non-issue because it had a 99% survival rate and killed 700,000 people, but claim that a .0022% rate of death from vaccination is a major risk. That's 10,000 dead from 459 MILLION doses.
A survival rate of 99.9978% survival rate. 454 times BETTER than the COVID survival rate.
If you want to use the survival rate of COVID to support your argument, you might want to avoid the vax argument, because the vax survival rate is FAR better.

If you have been vaccinated and wear mask and you believe these things prevent COVID then yeehaww, you have NO REASON to worry about if anyone chooses to not wear a mask or not be vaccinated with the COVID "vaccine" or its required boosters. Just let these people die off if that is what you think will happen or is needed. You're vaccinated and wear a mask... you are twice as immune... right? Go, live your lives free from the burden of COVID.

Stop conflating beliefs and facts. I don't "believe" these things. They are already proved by scientific method. BELIEF is when you have the facts and proofs, but claim they are wrong without being able to provide contradicting facts and proofs.

I would be happy to let the stupid ones die off, except they keep helping to spread this by playing it stupid in society. You want to be a drunk and die? Go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society. You want to be Typhoid Mary? Fine; go do it where it doesn't and can't affect society.

Your rights and freedoms end when they infringe on the rights and freedoms of others. It's really funny how so many "patriots" and "freedom fighters" really have no fvcking clue how freedoms and rights actually work in a society.

You did a nice filibuster to get away from the question, but are you going to provide legitimate studies that show masks do not or cannot work in preventing the spread of respiratory illness?
Maybe something using the same strict testing protocols mentioned in the study I linked to, and not "I wore a mask and got sick", or "I saw a YouTube video where a guy exhaled two ounces of vape juice into his mask"?
The vape juice that's not FDA approved or controlled in any way (ironically).

Definitely didn't even try to read this op-ed

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Do you people just use your browsers how they come or do you only use phones to surf the web? There are adblock apps and other apps that keep hijacking websites and ads at bay.

Why do you keep falling back on 100 year old shit? Polio, measles...

The point is that mask don't block 100% and if it doesn't block 100% it is not effective.
The COVID "vaccine" does not prevent COVID 100% so it is not effective either.
You can still die with the "vaccine" you can still die from the boosters. You can also get side effects.
You can go unvaxxed and still live and not have "vaccine" and booster side effects.
Either CHOICE can still lead to death. Guess what, it's our choice, not yours, not theirs.

Yes I do. That's how I know the website you posted is clickbait. Those sites are not really top-tier information sources, even if they share info that is accurate.

"100 year old shit" that is still very much a concern today, and why kids still get their FOUR polio shots. Their MMR shots. Tetanus. DPT. Etc.

If a mask does not block 100% it is "not effective? OK, please explain the scientific reasoning behind that.
Same for COVID.

Use corneal transplant. 70% retention after 7 years. This is not 100%, so it is "not effective"?
Maybe go simpler and use my seatbelt analogy. If seatbelts do not work 100% of the time, they are not effective?
Laptops have a DOA rate of up to 3%. Does this mean EVERY one is defective since they aren't 100% perfect?
Maybe go even simpler and use baseball. A batting average of .400 is nigh on impossible. 40% success. With your argument, there is no effective batter out there since they can't hit 100% of the time, hell even 40% of the time. Correct?

Saying a simple cloth mask of tee-shirt material that blocks 69% of the virus is "not effective" is about as childish a though process as you can have.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Definitely didn't even try to read this op-ed

Why would you? It doesn't have any memes about the sheep you want to fvck, or feces discussion, or Nazis taking over IBM and using Bill Gates to shill the vaccine.
Facts are not for you. Probably why your box designs are such a mess.
Go join the conspiracy fantasy forum, Your BS is much better suited for those idiots.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Yes I do. That's how I know the website you posted is clickbait. Those sites are not really top-tier information sources, even if they share info that is accurate.

"100 year old shit" that is still very much a concern today, and why kids still get their FOUR polio shots. Their MMR shots. Tetanus. DPT. Etc.

If a mask does not block 100% it is "not effective? OK, please explain the scientific reasoning behind that.
Same for COVID.

Use corneal transplant. 70% retention after 7 years. This is not 100%, so it is "not effective"?
Maybe go simpler and use my seatbelt analogy. If seatbelts do not work 100% of the time, they are not effective?
Laptops have a DOA rate of up to 3%. Does this mean EVERY one is defective since they aren't 100% perfect?
Maybe go even simpler and use baseball. A batting average of .400 is nigh on impossible. 40% success. With your argument, there is no effective batter out there since they can't hit 100% of the time, hell even 40% of the time. Correct?

Saying a simple cloth mask of tee-shirt material that blocks 69% of the virus is "not effective" is about as childish a though process as you can have.

If you wear it and get COVID, was the mask effective?

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

You really are pathetic bro. Lay off the meth. You are so tweaked out of you mind that you live in your own imaginary world. When's the last time you went outside or actually encountered another living human being? You really need to get some help my guy. I'm being serious.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You really are pathetic bro. Lay off the meth.

Because I just blew your mind... that means I am on meth? Meth is for poor people. I am not poor. If I want to get high I su ck diick!! Wait... no, that's not right.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

Because I just blew your mind... that means I am on meth? Meth is for poor people. I am not poor. If I want to get high I su ck diick!! Wait... no, that's not right.

You aren't poor? Now that is the funniest thing ever. Now I know for a fact you are mething around and delusional

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You aren't poor? Now that is the funniest thing ever. Now I know for a fact you are mething around and delusional

Nope, not poor. Not even close to poor.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If you wear it and get COVID, was the mask effective?

1. In this case the mask is used to slow or prevent you from exposing OTHERS with YOUR shit. Just like covering your ugly mug when you sneeze or cough.
Do you think a surgeon wears a mask to avoid getting YOUR germs? No, they do it to avoid transmitting to YOU.

2. I'll answer your question with a question AND an answer. My bro-in-law died even though he had a seatbelt on. Does that singular situation proves seatbelts are not effective? Give a legit answer, not a tapdancing filibuster.

If I wear a mask and get COVID THROUGH that mask, then the mask was not effective in stopping it for me at that time with THAT mask. Not ALL masks. A singular event is not a statistical sampling. If it is, we would say EVERY person that gambles at the casino leaves with more money than they risked.
Do they?

I had 18" of snow in my driveway yesterday afternoon. That means YOU had to snowblow too, right? As did the rest of the country? NOPE. Singular event. Hell, not even everyone in my CITY got that much.

You're still using micro-scale analysis for a macro scale issue/answer. That's not how you determine efficacy of anything. It's science, even if you hate it. As someone else here said (and I paraphrase) "your inability to express it or understand it doesn't nullify it".

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

Nope, not poor. Not even close to poor.

You are right. You are well below poverty. I didn't mean to insult the poor people.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

1. The mask is designed to slow or prevent you from exposing OTHERS with YOUR shit. Just like covering your ugly mug when you sneeze or cough.
Do you think a surgeon wears a mask to avoid getting your germs? No, they do it to avoid transmitting to YOU.

2. I'll answer your question with a question AND an answer. My bro-in-law died even though he had a seatbelt on. Does that singular situation proves seatbelts are not effective? Give a legit answer, not a tapdancing filibuster.

If I wear a mask and get COVID THROUGH the mask, then the mask was not effective in stopping it for me at that time THE mask. Not ALL masks.
I had 18" of snow in my driveway yesterday afternoon. That means YOU had to snowblow too, right? As did the rest of the country? NOPE.
You're still using micro-scale analysis for a macro scale issue/answer. That's not how you determine efficacy of anything. It's science, even if you hate it. As someone else here said (and I paraphrase) "your inability to express it or understand it doesn't nullify it".

I ask one question... you respond in your usual lack of self control fashion. You ALWAYS make sure you can keep arguing.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I ask one question... you respond in your usual lack of self control fashion. You ALWAYS make sure you can keep arguing.

I answered your question and asked one in return.
In fact, I have asked a LOT that you never seem to answer.
Why is that?